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Re: What If?

Postby titanmike » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:19 pm

AmenBrother wrote:Commish- Your opinion is always welcome as is mine. Back at you with mutual feelings.


Yes it is and it shouldn't force you to delete your account.
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Re: What If?

Postby titanmac » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:00 pm

what if a frog had wings? then he wouldn't bump his a** on the ground.
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Re: What If?

Postby dennycrane » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:43 pm

Thank you, udballer, for making the same point I would have for tacitus. The 2012 team had several too many losses to fetch a higher seed, hence the matchup with Kansas which was too tall a task. That Titan team lost several games early when Eli was missing and that pretty much put us in said predicament.

And to comment upon Sam's "what if" about Smokey Gaines: I always had the impression that AD Geracioti created a feud with Smokey which caused him to jump to San Diego St, Sam, and that it was not related to an inadequate contract offer. Smokey went 47-10 in 2 seasons. He was hot. Not surprising at all that he would get offers from attractive places.
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Re: What If?

Postby udballer » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:38 pm

theroundsquare wrote:What if Detroit Henry Ford C Ken Johnson had kept his word and come to U-D instead of bolting for the brighter lights of Theeeeee Ohio State University? Those late 90s teams might've advanced into the elite eight.

Also, what if people had used some brainpower and kept the name "University of Detroit"? Dammit.


That is truly an interesting "what if". Had Ken Johnson been there, we could have potentially made a deep(er) run in 98-99, and actually made it to the NCAA four years in a row. Once Leon Derricks and Brian Alexander were both gone (by 98), the skill level of our big men dropped significantly.
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Re: What If?

Postby Motor City Sam » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:45 pm

dennycrane wrote: And to comment upon Sam's "what if" about Smokey Gaines: I always had the impression that AD Geracioti created a feud with Smokey which caused him to jump to San Diego St, Sam, and that it was not related to an inadequate contract offer. Smokey went 47-10 in 2 seasons. He was hot. Not surprising at all that he would get offers from attractive places.


Thank you for the insight, Denny. If a feud was created that cost us a good coach, that is even more disappointing.
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Re: What If?

Postby titanmac » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:46 pm

geraciooti was a dwebe. the worst hire we ever made.,
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Re: What If?

Postby 77-85Titan » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:55 pm

What if Dick Vitale had not gotten the ulcer that would have killed him if he coached another game?
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Re: What If?

Postby BritishTitan » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:52 pm

uofdfan83 wrote:3) When "MSU Nation" or "Rebel Nation" loses a person who has morphed into an institution, it means most of the fans lose a "character". When we lose our Heart-and-Soul, we put his initials on the jerseys but more importantly, those of us who show up in The Hall on a regular basis lose a good friend. A personal friend. A human being who makes us smile because of a personal connection, something he did for us, or something he said to make us laugh after a tough loss. That's being a Titan. For Reggie Hall alone, I would rather be a Titan than anything else in the world.

We are luckier than MSU fans, U-M fans, and certainly OU fans. We are Titan Family.


Yes we are. Reggie would have been humbled by your words. He was the heart and soul of Titan basketball, it will never be the same without him.
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Re: What If?

Postby NC Titan » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:33 pm

Commissioner wrote:What if Ervin Johnson had been the point guard on the 1978 and 1979 teams? (His three finalists were MSU, UM and UD).


Commish, my recollection was that MSU locked up Johnson very, very early in the game. Like grade school. No way was he going anywhere else.
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Re: What If?

Postby NC Titan » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:37 pm

BritishTitan wrote:
uofdfan83 wrote:3) When "MSU Nation" or "Rebel Nation" loses a person who has morphed into an institution, it means most of the fans lose a "character". When we lose our Heart-and-Soul, we put his initials on the jerseys but more importantly, those of us who show up in The Hall on a regular basis lose a good friend. A personal friend. A human being who makes us smile because of a personal connection, something he did for us, or something he said to make us laugh after a tough loss. That's being a Titan. For Reggie Hall alone, I would rather be a Titan than anything else in the world.

We are luckier than MSU fans, U-M fans, and certainly OU fans. We are Titan Family.


Yes we are. Reggie would have been humbled by your words. He was the heart and soul of Titan basketball, it will never be the same without him.


Reggie's brother and sister-in-law were at today's game, sitting next to the vacant seat.
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Re: What If?

Postby R.B.J1 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:53 pm

The what if that I find most disheartening occurred in the fall of 1989. If UDM had landed these players we would've been on our road to recovery and Kinsman probably would've had the guts to move us into the great Midwest.

Anthony "Pig" MIller" Benton Harbor,Benton Harbor High School
Coach Byrdsong had went into Benton Harbor and landed Ramsey Nichols in the fall of 1988, he went back the following year and nearly signed Anthony "Pig"Miller. Miller couldn't get a qualifying score on his ACT or SAT and was denied admission to MSU. Byrdsong had gotten Miller admitted to UDM via the project 100 program. He was signed sealed and delivered. Jud Heathcothe moaned and groaned to MSU admissions department and Pig Miller was finally granted conditional admission to MSU via some type of program similar to project 100 which required Pig Miller to enroll at MSU and take remedial/enrichment courses during the summer. If Miller passed the courses then he would be admitted to MSU. Miller enrolled and passed the summer courses and the rest is history.

Shawn Respert, Detroit,MI. Detroit Bishop Borgess
Shawn Respert was ready to be a titan. Respert also had a former teammate at UDM, Dwayne Kelley. The titans had another stroke of bad luck, an MSU player notified Heathcote he would be transferring at mid season (Jan.1990) and a scholarship opened up at the last minute for Respert.

Daniel Lyton,Detroit,MI.,Detroit Cooley
Daniel Lyton nearly signed with Byrdsong in the fall of 1988. However, his host for his official campus visit to Mizzou was former Detroit Mackenzie player and future NBA lottery pick Doug Smith. Doug showed him a great time during his official visit to Columbia. Mizzou made an offer Big D couldn't refuse. Once he arrived in Columbia he was called the "N" word by a good ol boy during an off campus pick up game, Lyton was enraged, and he high tailed it back to Detroit. Lyton decided to follow his heart and he signed with UDM. In another stroke of a bad luck Norm Stewart refused to sign the transfer release papers which essentialy forced Lyton to sit out the 1989-1990 season and the 1990-1991 season. Lyton had a problem with his alarm clock, repeatedly missed classes and was dismissed from UDM shortly before the season began in the fall of 1991. Lyton stated that he probably would've had more of an incentive to attend classes if he had been allowed to play during the two seasons he had to sit out.

If we had landed all three players and they managed to stay eligible we would've had an NCAA team in 1991-1992. Our starting 5 would've been pretty impressive.

C-Miller
F-Lyton
G-Respert
G-Kelley
G-Nichols

Key Reserves
F-Aaron
F-Lovelace
G-Jackson
C-Grant
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Re: What If?

Postby NC Titan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:20 pm

"problem with his alarm clock": Charming, RBJ. :lol:
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Re: What If?

Postby NC Titan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:42 pm

I am reading "Once in a Great City" by David Maraniss. It's the chronicle of 1963, when Detroit was at its acme. Motown is hitting its stride, Martin Luther King Jr. pre-delivers his "I have a dream" speech in Detroit, the Mustang is just about to be introduced, and UD Law alum Jerry Cavanaugh was the charismatic mayor of the city. And Detroit was in the US candidate to host the 1968 Olympic games.

Part of the city's plan included providing facilities, including a 100,000-seat stadium to be built at the Michigan State Fairgrounds on 8 Mile at Woodward. And the "University of Detroit field house" -- presumably that is historic Calihan Hall, then known as the Memorial Building -- was to be the venue for indoor events.

Had that come true -- alas, Mexico City actually won the bid -- the Memorial Building would have been refreshed, the northeast corner of the campus would have been improved and spruced up and, then, think of it: a national spotlight on the campus as local basketball player Spencer Haywood leads the US to the gold medal, the city goes wild, and Spence follows it up playing at UofD, maybe for more than just one season. A whole new ball game, a different future for the Titans, glory and jubilation. All those local kids staying home (presumable to play for Don Haskins or Will Robinson).

What if.....
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Re: What If?

Postby titanmac » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:52 pm

you guys are killin me. my teeth are startin to hurt.
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Re: What If?

Postby TitanTarHeel » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:10 pm

NC Titan wrote:I am reading "Once in a Great City" by David Maraniss. It's the chronicle of 1963, when Detroit was at its acme. Motown is hitting its stride, Martin Luther King Jr. pre-delivers his "I have a dream" speech in Detroit, the Mustang is just about to be introduced, and UD Law alum Jerry Cavanaugh was the charismatic mayor of the city. And Detroit was in the US candidate to host the 1968 Olympic games.

Part of the city's plan included providing facilities, including a 100,000-seat stadium to be built at the Michigan State Fairgrounds on 8 Mile at Woodward. And the "University of Detroit field house" -- presumably that is historic Calihan Hall, then known as the Memorial Building -- was to be the venue for indoor events.

Had that come true -- alas, Mexico City actually won the bid -- the Memorial Building would have been refreshed, the northeast corner of the campus would have been improved and spruced up and, then, think of it: a national spotlight on the campus as local basketball player Spencer Haywood leads the US to the gold medal, the city goes wild, and Spence follows it up playing at UofD, maybe for more than just one season. A whole new ball game, a different future for the Titans, glory and jubilation. All those local kids staying home (presumable to play for Don Haskins or Will Robinson).

What if.....


It's a GREAT book and the ultimate painful 'what if'. I'm about 60% of the way thru it. Just got thru the Olympic bidding and how Detroit came in 2nd, the thought being a Soviet bloc of countries didn't flip our way and ultimate cost us. It was an incredible roster of politicians and business leaders that made the push for the bid. Also what if...
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Re: What If?

Postby sacredheartgreg » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:31 pm

What if Charlie North and John Morgan were not expelled from school after the 1961 season for the alleged point shaving scandal. 1961/62 team would of had Debusschere, North and Morgan back from an 18-9 team the year before (their 3 top scorers).
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Re: What If?

Postby R.B.J1 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:25 am

The recent 20 year anniversary of the 1997-1998 Titans brought to mind additional "what ifs". What if the late Robert Traylor had decided to keep his word and attend UDM in the spring of 1995? What if coach Watson had allowed Albert White, who had been the dismissed from UofM to transfer to UDM in the winter of 1997? (White wanted to transfer to UDM, PW said no). That 1997-1998 Titan team would've been right there with some of the talented titan teams of the mid to late 1970's. This team would've been big, athletic, talented and deep. This is of course assuming we still attract all of our transfers (White,Hayes,both Alexanders, Haralson and Ferguson). I think this team could've made it to the final 4.

Starting 5
C-Brian Alexander
F-Robert Traylor
G-Albert White
G-Derrick Hayes
G-Jermaine Jackson

Bench
G-Rashad Phillips
F-Perry Robinson
G-Desmond Ferguson
G-EJ Haralson
F-Bacari Alexander
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Re: What If?

Postby udballer » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:44 pm

Any team with both Rashad and Derrick Hayes has a chance. :)

Replacing EJ and BA's minutes with Tractor and Albert? Who knows how far that team could have gone? Those are a couple major upgrades.
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Re: What If?

Postby theroundsquare » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:48 pm

I guess if you really want to push it, you could have Ken Johnson honor his verbal and come to U-D instead of Ohio State.
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Re: What If?

Postby kirky313 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:07 pm

What if in 2011-12. Nick doesn't tear his ACL, Eli doesn't punch a frat boy?

We would have started
PG Ray
SG Jason
SF Nick
PF Doug
C Eli
Bench
PG Foster
G/F Chase
SF/PF Evan
C lowe

We don't lose to anyone but maybe Valpo or CSU in the conference. Would have been a sweet 16 team, easy
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