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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby Motor City Sam » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:29 pm

HSScout1 wrote:From Steve Bell - his observations from the Elite Camp. All the guys listed are class of 2018:

http://bankhoops.com/new-staff-same-talented-u-d-camp/

New Staff, Same Talented U-D Camp

The University of Detroit’s elite camp has usually brought in the top prospects from Southeastern Michigan, and that doesn’t look like it will change under new coach Bacari Alexander. Here are some of our favorite performers from the Titans’ first elite camp with the new staff.

Quinn Blair 6-6 Jr Dearborn Divine Child: One of the more unselfish players in camp, willing to do the dirty work on the glass, fight defensively, push the ball with the pass. Rebounded at a high rate. A three-tier scorer, playing a lot like John Simons. He’d hit a 3 one trip, backcut for an easy bucket the next. Blair has offers from Ferris State, where his sister plays, and Hillsdale, where they have to have visions of the next Kyle Cooper out of the Catholic League, and is a likely D1 recruit in both basketball and football.

Gabe Brown 6-7 Jr Belleville: He put in a performance similar to Kent State freshman Daniel Pippen’s two year’s ago at Detroit’s elite camp, a hustling, versatile presence on both ends of the floor. All knees and elbows and no defined position, Brown has a motor, arms for days, passed well on the break and looked great shooting left-handed three-pointers off the catch. A key member of Belleville’s loaded 2018 class.

Deante Johnson 6-7 Jr Detroit Edison: Can really get up and down for a big kid, a requisite for playing with the Family’s 16U which is one of the fastest AAU teams in the country. Johnson just got a Toledo offer which looks like a prescient move, he could be a big-time rebounder in the MAC as he gets off the floor quickly a second and third time. And he’s not named “Spider” because his arms are short.

Avery Lewis 6-5 Jr Ann Arbor Huron: Reminds one of Jared Holmquist, who was the best player in the MIAA last season for Trine University, a strong kid who works hard, bangs, rebounds, complements talented guards, while having a blossoming offensive game. One of the state’s most improved 2018 prospects.

Lamar Norman 6-2 Jr Wyoming Godwin Heights: Simply the most talented offensive guard in Michigan for 2018. Those peers that can drive and finish like Norman can’t shoot like him, and those that can shoot with him aren’t as athletic. The kind of guard who by the time he finishes breakfast has already scored buckets, like Calvin Wooten, Katu Davis or Steven Haney Sr. He’s produced in any venue we’ve seen him and that’s not likely to change.


Thanks for the post, HSS. The good old "U of D" camp at the "University of Detroit". :-)

My nephew attended the Elite Camp. He just finished his sophomore year in high school. He didn't wasn't mentioned in Bell's recap, but he really enjoyed the camp.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby titanarama » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:28 pm

mac, I'd rather have David and a slingshot.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby titanmac » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:36 pm

:) yeah titanrama. thought about that. but look at all the dammage he can do in the meantime!
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby titanmike » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:08 pm

Offered Gabe Brown 6'7 2018


Jeff McKinney ‏@McKinneysWorld · 4s5 seconds ago

6'7 2018 Gabe Brown/@_Going_Pro_ of Belleville/ Mustangs-Faletti has been offered by University of Detroit today at team camp!
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby Motor City Sam » Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:08 pm

titanmike wrote:Offered Gabe Brown 6'7 2018


Jeff McKinney ‏@McKinneysWorld · 4s5 seconds ago

6'7 2018 Gabe Brown/@_Going_Pro_ of Belleville/ Mustangs-Faletti has been offered by University of Detroit today at team camp!


Saw him play live last season. He's a good one. That Belleville team is talented.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby R.B.J1 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:43 pm

HSScout1 wrote:
titanmike wrote:Last night at midnight was the 1st day college coaches can contact recruits for 2018 Class. Here is who I have been able to come up with that we contacted , more as I hear or you hear.

Thomas Kithier-Macomb Dakota


Kithier offered by MSU this afternoon at the MSU team camp


Not that we shouldn't try, but I think Kithier might be beyond our reach at this point. We should focus on guys we have a legitimate shot at signing.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby MooseGuy1 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:55 pm

Motor City Sam wrote:
HSScout1 wrote:From Steve Bell - his observations from the Elite Camp. All the guys listed are class of 2018:

http://bankhoops.com/new-staff-same-talented-u-d-camp/

New Staff, Same Talented U-D Camp

The University of Detroit’s elite camp has usually brought in the top prospects from Southeastern Michigan, and that doesn’t look like it will change under new coach Bacari Alexander. Here are some of our favorite performers from the Titans’ first elite camp with the new staff.

Quinn Blair 6-6 Jr Dearborn Divine Child: One of the more unselfish players in camp, willing to do the dirty work on the glass, fight defensively, push the ball with the pass. Rebounded at a high rate. A three-tier scorer, playing a lot like John Simons. He’d hit a 3 one trip, backcut for an easy bucket the next. Blair has offers from Ferris State, where his sister plays, and Hillsdale, where they have to have visions of the next Kyle Cooper out of the Catholic League, and is a likely D1 recruit in both basketball and football.

Gabe Brown 6-7 Jr Belleville: He put in a performance similar to Kent State freshman Daniel Pippen’s two year’s ago at Detroit’s elite camp, a hustling, versatile presence on both ends of the floor. All knees and elbows and no defined position, Brown has a motor, arms for days, passed well on the break and looked great shooting left-handed three-pointers off the catch. A key member of Belleville’s loaded 2018 class.

Deante Johnson 6-7 Jr Detroit Edison: Can really get up and down for a big kid, a requisite for playing with the Family’s 16U which is one of the fastest AAU teams in the country. Johnson just got a Toledo offer which looks like a prescient move, he could be a big-time rebounder in the MAC as he gets off the floor quickly a second and third time. And he’s not named “Spider” because his arms are short.

Avery Lewis 6-5 Jr Ann Arbor Huron: Reminds one of Jared Holmquist, who was the best player in the MIAA last season for Trine University, a strong kid who works hard, bangs, rebounds, complements talented guards, while having a blossoming offensive game. One of the state’s most improved 2018 prospects.

Lamar Norman 6-2 Jr Wyoming Godwin Heights: Simply the most talented offensive guard in Michigan for 2018. Those peers that can drive and finish like Norman can’t shoot like him, and those that can shoot with him aren’t as athletic. The kind of guard who by the time he finishes breakfast has already scored buckets, like Calvin Wooten, Katu Davis or Steven Haney Sr. He’s produced in any venue we’ve seen him and that’s not likely to change.


Thanks for the post, HSS. The good old "U of D" camp at the "University of Detroit". :-)

My nephew attended the Elite Camp. He just finished his sophomore year in high school. He didn't wasn't mentioned in Bell's recap, but he really enjoyed the camp.


Is this the same as the Mercy camp? ;) :P
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby Motor City Sam » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:03 pm

MooseGuy1 wrote:
Motor City Sam wrote:
HSScout1 wrote:From Steve Bell - his observations from the Elite Camp. All the guys listed are class of 2018:

http://bankhoops.com/new-staff-same-talented-u-d-camp/

New Staff, Same Talented U-D Camp

The University of Detroit’s elite camp has usually brought in the top prospects from Southeastern Michigan, and that doesn’t look like it will change under new coach Bacari Alexander. Here are some of our favorite performers from the Titans’ first elite camp with the new staff.

Quinn Blair 6-6 Jr Dearborn Divine Child: One of the more unselfish players in camp, willing to do the dirty work on the glass, fight defensively, push the ball with the pass. Rebounded at a high rate. A three-tier scorer, playing a lot like John Simons. He’d hit a 3 one trip, backcut for an easy bucket the next. Blair has offers from Ferris State, where his sister plays, and Hillsdale, where they have to have visions of the next Kyle Cooper out of the Catholic League, and is a likely D1 recruit in both basketball and football.

Gabe Brown 6-7 Jr Belleville: He put in a performance similar to Kent State freshman Daniel Pippen’s two year’s ago at Detroit’s elite camp, a hustling, versatile presence on both ends of the floor. All knees and elbows and no defined position, Brown has a motor, arms for days, passed well on the break and looked great shooting left-handed three-pointers off the catch. A key member of Belleville’s loaded 2018 class.

Deante Johnson 6-7 Jr Detroit Edison: Can really get up and down for a big kid, a requisite for playing with the Family’s 16U which is one of the fastest AAU teams in the country. Johnson just got a Toledo offer which looks like a prescient move, he could be a big-time rebounder in the MAC as he gets off the floor quickly a second and third time. And he’s not named “Spider” because his arms are short.

Avery Lewis 6-5 Jr Ann Arbor Huron: Reminds one of Jared Holmquist, who was the best player in the MIAA last season for Trine University, a strong kid who works hard, bangs, rebounds, complements talented guards, while having a blossoming offensive game. One of the state’s most improved 2018 prospects.

Lamar Norman 6-2 Jr Wyoming Godwin Heights: Simply the most talented offensive guard in Michigan for 2018. Those peers that can drive and finish like Norman can’t shoot like him, and those that can shoot with him aren’t as athletic. The kind of guard who by the time he finishes breakfast has already scored buckets, like Calvin Wooten, Katu Davis or Steven Haney Sr. He’s produced in any venue we’ve seen him and that’s not likely to change.


Thanks for the post, HSS. The good old "U of D" camp at the "University of Detroit". :-)

My nephew attended the Elite Camp. He just finished his sophomore year in high school. He didn't wasn't mentioned in Bell's recap, but he really enjoyed the camp.


Is this the same as the Mercy camp? ;) :P


No one knows for sure, Moose. It's one of life's great mysteries. :)
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby Tacitus651 » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:07 pm

Garibaldi should welcome people to the camp and make it clear we are Detroit Mercy.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby uofdmik2008 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:57 am

The re-branding hasn't been rolled out yet Tacitus, but I am sure if you have $50-100 million or so the school will be willing to drop the sponsorship of the Sisters of Mercy and rename it maybe to UD or UDT(Tacitus), but until then you are once again stuck with Mercy! By the way quite a few people refer to the high school as UofD high school, wonder if they have the same number of people complaining about the Jesuit in the UDJ?
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby Commissioner » Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:32 am

I thought the "M" stood for "muddled."
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby titanmac » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:16 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby TitanVoiceofReason » Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:49 am

uofdmik2008 wrote:The re-branding hasn't been rolled out yet Tacitus, but I am sure if you have $50-100 million or so the school will be willing to drop the sponsorship of the Sisters of Mercy and rename it maybe to UD or UDT(Tacitus), but until then you are once again stuck with Mercy! By the way quite a few people refer to the high school as UofD high school, wonder if they have the same number of people complaining about the Jesuit in the UDJ?


mik....... the problem isn't the "Mercy" in our name. The confusion, disappointment and frustration comes because by renaming it U of D Mercy the "Jesuit" identity was lost. Detroit Mercy College became University of Detroit Mercy. If it hasn't worked in 25 years it isn't going to work now. How much money are we going to spend on this latest rebranding effort that should be going into other areas?

I prefer University of Detroit but would go along with University of Detroit Jesuit Mercy or University of Detroit Mercy Jesuit. That accomplishes what both religious orders should ope for - both schools retaining their identities. We should be called U of D which is what the public and media know us by and are often called.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby titanmac » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:05 am

that'd only make it worse voice. the reality will continue to be to reference it by its defacto name: uofd. that isn't going to change anytime soon...if ever. the proof is that even the younger grads adopt the historical version in everyday conversation. its a shame they didn't do a serious marketing study with integrity, but sought rather to confirm their bias. happens a lot i know.....
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby titanmac » Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:31 am

i'm reminded of an old joke.

three final candidates for the presidency of a major institution are interviewing before the board of trustees. All three are well qualified with stellar academic credentials. one is a mathematician. one is a philosopher and the final one is a lawyer. the mathematician steps into the room and chairman of the board looks down at him from the elevated chairs and advises: " we have only one question for you. please tell us the answer to 2+2?"

the mathematician makes eye contact with the board members one at a time and confidently replies "a positive 2 plus a positive two is a positive 4."

The chairman says, "thank you very much" and the mathematician walks out.

The philosopher comes in and take his place at the podium while the chairman intones again: "we have only one question for you. what is the answer to 2+2?"

The philosopher looks down at his shoes for a minute. puts his chin in his hand and rubs at his beard thoughtfully. he then sets the elbows of his leather reinforced corduroy coat on the podium and softly states: "an abstract 2 plus and abstract 2 is an abstract 4 plus or minus 2."

The chairman replies: "thank you very much" and the philosopher walks out.

so the lawyer walk in and takes his place at the podium. the chairman looks down and gravely states once more: " we have only one question for you. can you tell us the answer to 2+2?"

the lawyer scribbles on his yellow pad for a few seconds, walks across the room and turns down the dimmer switch on the lights in the hall. cloaked in semi darkness, he steps carefully onto the dais, leans over the conference table and settles onto one arm for support. he then surreptitiously whispers in a quiet articulate voice so that only the board members can hear: "what do you want it to be?"
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby uofdmik2008 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:48 pm

The majority of the rebranding has to do with We Want Great Things for You which will be replaced. The move to call the institution UDM, University of Detroit Mercy, Detroit or Detroit Mercy, they are not spending tons of money on renaming or removing anything. As far as feasibility, the Mercy cannot go anywhere due to the facts I have explained before, the study found that it makes no difference to recent alumni and incoming students if the school is called UDM or UofD, the message of outcomes is changing (We want great things for you).At the end of the day if we had not accepted Mercy we would have closed doors, right now to get rid of Mercy means we close doors, so administration focused on things they can control, enrollment, academic quality, endowment and student experience. Freshman enrollment was up 12% last year, will be up 12-15% this year, we are ranked 23rd in the Midwest and the Top tier of Universities, and Major projects are underway like the $1 million dollar expansion of Health Profession Building and $1 million renovation of the College of Engineering Lab space (2 of our most successful colleges right now by revenue and enrollment) and plans underway to hopefully to get our endowment over $100 million, currently at $50 million, was at $25 million not too long ago. Plans are underway to add additional housing, with the abandoned houses south of campus being demolished as we speak. But, I am sure dropping the Mercy would solve all of our issues and the leadership of the university is foolish to take on all these other things when they simply could rename the University and all are problems would be solved, which everyone seems is a simple flick of the wrist and can be simply done by the president, never mind that even if he wanted to he could not get it approved. I like the name U of D better than UDM(graduated in 08, I refer to it as UofD), but I know practically it cannot be changed, so instead of sitting around thinking of shoulda, couldas or the glory of the past I think we should be focused on what can we do to preserve and improve this institution going forward.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby Rogobob77 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:19 pm

It was time for the "Great Things" tag line to go and it will soon, but in truth that was not the majority of the rebranding study equation, I'd say about 1%. The real red meat on the table was to determine an institutional position on how to primarily refer to the school going forward. It could have been return to "University of Detroit." It could have been "University of Detroit Mercy," but then everyone drops the "Mercy." It could have been "UDM," but then everyone drops the "M." It could have been "Detroit" as was the practice for athletics, but that led to confusion too. So for better or worse, the powers that be decided on "Detroit Mercy." That is what you will see emphasized in the logo, website, press releases, athletic team references, etc., going forward. We'll see if it catches on. I have doubts that this is the best course of action, but still support the University. Trying to connect to the subject of this thread, even with recent references to "the Detroit Mercy Way," the vast majority of class of 2018 recruits still reference the school as "University of Detroit" or an a direct variant of that.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby Tacitus651 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:23 pm

Referring to your earlier post, Mik, you are suggesting that it will take 100M to rebrand as UD and to relieve the sisters of their "sponsorship." I don't see that as being true, as the sisters did bail us out years ago, but if Garibaldi convinced a majority of the board to rebrand as UD, the sisters would probably have little grounds to fight that in court, and I doubt they would want to. Although, I was, at best, an average UDM law student. Also, I don't see how rebranding would cost 100M. 100M in endowed dollars would spin off $450,000 annual. Are you suggesting we would need that kind of cash to rebrand, or that only a donor at that level could demand something as serious as a name change? If it's the latter, I'd submit that it shouldn't take a mega donor to convince the university to do the right thing regrading our name. As I believe you noted in an earlier post, the survey results indicated a name change was overall a positive thing, but Garibaldi didn't have the political capital to get the board to go along - something that I personally see as a lack of leadership on his part. I'm not suggesting that going back to UD will solve all our problems and that we will start competing athletically and academically with Marquette, Villanova, etc. I'm saying that I still see the missed opportunity as a big miss. And every time a recruit or newspaper calls us U of D I'll probably make a joke about it on this board.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby Commissioner » Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:32 pm

Mike, the name can be changed anytime, on a moment's notice. All it requires is for the Sisters of Mercy to concede that University of Detroit or UD is better branding than UDM and Detroit-Mercy (which seems obvious to me, frankly). I see no reason why people should stop trying to convince the Sisters of this (or, put differently, convince them that their pride of ownership should take a back seat to a better branding effort). After all, the school was not previously known as UDJ or Detroit-Jesuit before Mercy came along. Duquesne University of the Holy Spirit simply goes by Duquesne-it doesn't insist on the full name, or go with Duquesne-Spiritan or DU-S. Boston College isn't BCJ or Boston College-Jesuit. Very few schools insist on such branding.

So you're quite right, the name won't change unless the Sisters agree. It's their call, and they've earned it with their financial backing. But the Sisters should agree, and it's perfectly logical and fine for people to voice views on why the Sisters should agree, just as it is legit to argue that Bacari should start Williams over McFolly or play more zone defense. Sure, it won't happen unless the man in charge says so. But it's wrong to say it can't be changed.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting Thread

Postby uofdmik2008 » Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:46 pm

Tacitus I am tired of arguing with you and I cannot share any more of the details of the Board of Trustees meeting, but it has nothing with his leadership, make fun of it all you want, I don't think its a bad thing if the school has a historical nickname. You and other UofD alums should have done something in the past well before I was around, I am looking at the future and supporting leadership for the school that is trying to do the same. The 100 million was a way to show the enormity of the challenge to convince the board to change the name, the existence of the school is owed to the Sister's of Mercy, as far as that goes, Mercy College grads could complain that there is more identity of UofD than of Mercy College when people talk about the school. Glad that you think its a good idea for a Catholic School to take this name issue to a legal matter, I am sure it would make us look good with other Catholic institutions as well as alumni and public that we took the Sisters money to save the school and then turned around went against their wishes and renamed the school, by the way they have permanent presence on the Board of Trustees. The survey indicated that the older alumni did want the name change, where as the recent alums and incoming students could care less. So as an attorney take a look at the board and the original merger agreement first and then we can argue the finer points of the legal case. As far as academic and financial health of the University goes, people that specialize in branding and marketing said the name thing is irrelevant, this includes former head of marketing for a major US Corporation with over 35 years of experience that now is a faculty member at the school that graduated from UofD, Ill leave the law to you and ill take the marketing and business guys advice to Garibaldi. I am sure you will have many opportunities to make fun of people calling it UofD, I will continue calling it UofD, that is because it is part of a great history of the school, but at this point it is history! I have no problem of people trying to convince the Sisters of Mercy, Garibaldi did try to do that but could not, has nothing about leadership or being a bad president, he is the first one to try, he could not so he is focusing energy on areas he can improve instead of standing in the corner and crying about spilled milk!
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