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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby StJoeUofD » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:37 pm

tacitus - as a member of the Kuharic family in South Bend, we bleed Irish green (especially my late Uncle Joe - a/k/a the worst ND coach of all time - but the greatest Uncle ever). Part of the history that you aren't mentioning is WWII. Notre Dame was almost ready to close before the US Navy gave them some incredible research grants and other funds to keep them alive. https://www.irishcentral.com/sports/how ... -237526071 This favor has been paid back by the annual ND-Navy game. The old timers at ND all remember the 50s when they couldn't get 50% of the stadium filled for a game. Of course having my Uncle coach them didn't help that a bit. Fr. Hesburgh was a great leader and I certainly don't want to take anything away from him, but the Navy contracts were what really saved ND and Fr. Hesburgh took the opportunity and capitalized on it.
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby StJoeUofD » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:37 pm

tacitus - as a member of the Kuharic family in South Bend, we bleed Irish green (especially my late Uncle Joe - a/k/a the worst ND coach of all time - but the greatest Uncle ever). Part of the history that you aren't mentioning is WWII. Notre Dame was almost ready to close before the US Navy gave them some incredible research grants and other funds to keep them alive. https://www.irishcentral.com/sports/how ... -237526071 This favor has been paid back by the annual ND-Navy game. The old timers at ND all remember the 50s when they couldn't get 50% of the stadium filled for a game. Of course having my Uncle coach them didn't help that a bit. Fr. Hesburgh was a great leader and I certainly don't want to take anything away from him, but the Navy contracts were what really saved ND and Fr. Hesburgh took the opportunity and capitalized on it.
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby StJoeUofD » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:37 pm

tacitus - as a member of the Kuharic family in South Bend, we bleed Irish green (especially my late Uncle Joe - a/k/a the worst ND coach of all time - but the greatest Uncle ever). Part of the history that you aren't mentioning is WWII. Notre Dame was almost ready to close before the US Navy gave them some incredible research grants and other funds to keep them alive. https://www.irishcentral.com/sports/how ... -237526071 This favor has been paid back by the annual ND-Navy game. The old timers at ND all remember the 50s when they couldn't get 50% of the stadium filled for a game. Of course having my Uncle coach them didn't help that a bit. Fr. Hesburgh was a great leader and I certainly don't want to take anything away from him, but the Navy contracts were what really saved ND and Fr. Hesburgh took the opportunity and capitalized on it.
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby StJoeUofD » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:47 pm

denny - according to Wikipedia (everyone knows that it is always right, right?) Mike was a consensus All-American in 1968. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Warren_(actor)

Since we have been talking about South Bend. Don't forget that John Wooden was the head coach of the South Bend Central Bears. I am pretty sure he is in the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame as a high school (Martinsville) player, college (Purdue) player and also as a High School Coach. My grandfather (the laundry delivery guy at Notre Dame) always talked about watching South Bend Central basketball games coached by Wooden. He may have won a state championship, but I am not positive about that. Wooden's website is always interesting to read for basketball lovers. http://www.coachwooden.com/the-journey
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby Tacitus651 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:55 pm

Right you are, StJoe. I walk by the sign that says where the barracks were very often. Between the library and Grace. Your point is well taken, most people don't realize how broke ND was mid 20th century. The story I always hear is that Navy let ND have $2 out of $3 for every ticket sale for a game at soldier field one year so that ND could build a stadium on campus. Man, if they could see that stadium today. I was touring the new buildings attached to the stadium and it's quite the experience. Purists are livid about the jumbo screen.

I think one thing that makes ND special is the house system, which I believe they strictly implemented maybe 50 years ago or so. Students must stay in the same dorm all 4 years. They can leave after sophomore year and get apartments but the vast majority stay on campus. I teach exclusively freshmen and the first week of freshman year at least half of them tell me they're renting apartments or a house off campus junior year for sure. By end of freshman year they are all wearing shirts saying what house they live in and tell me there's no way they'd ever leave. I think a lot of people in charge of schools forget that college is basically experiences, and that if you provide great ones, people will give, come back, send their kids, etc.
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby NC Titan » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:26 pm

Tacitus651 wrote:I think one thing that makes ND special is the house system, which I believe they strictly implemented maybe 50 years ago or so. Students must stay in the same dorm all 4 years. They can leave after sophomore year and get apartments but the vast majority stay on campus. I teach exclusively freshmen and the first week of freshman year at least half of them tell me they're renting apartments or a house off campus junior year for sure. By end of freshman year they are all wearing shirts saying what house they live in and tell me there's no way they'd ever leave. I think a lot of people in charge of schools forget that college is basically experiences, and that if you provide great ones, people will give, come back, send their kids, etc.


Sounds a lot like Hogwarts. :lol:
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby StJoeUofD » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:12 am

One other thing that Notre Dame does well is to connect the grads after graduation. Their network of ND grads who find younger (and older) fellow grads jobs is incredible. Of course, having a rich Father that lets you choose who gets the next job in his company is a great advantage.

This is part of the legacy program. As you know, they encourage legacy children. When everyone in the family attends the same university the stories stay in the family and the ties to the school become much stronger.

My Grandparents lived at 1017 N. Eddy. The house doesn't exist any longer, but it was a great place to visit as a kid. The name my family knows me by is Jake. So when I was a boy I would visit them and during the Spring I would run down to the ND baseball field to watch their practices. The ND coach at the time was Jake Kline. Naturally, he liked my name. Of course he knew my Grandfather, the laundry guy who picked up all the towels, so he always let me shag in the outfield and once in a while take batting practice, especially when Ron Reed was pitching. Ron was from LaPorte and I was from Rolling Prairie so he loved to strike me out. Over the years I was the batboy for the opposing teams from time to time. Never got to be the ND batboy, that was reserved for a legacy kid. Every game the opposing team would give me a bat. Unfortunately, my teammates and I used these bats and I only have one left. It is from the University of Minnesota.

Thanks for letting me have the trip down memory lane.
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby Tacitus651 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:42 am

Being a legacy helps less every year though. Elite schools are being criticized more and more for using it.
My office is on Eddy, in the new commons. I'm sure you've heard about them expanding the commons:
http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Eddy-S ... 58065.html

Looks like the plot your grandparents lived on will be where the new grocery store will be. Crazy how things change!
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby Rogobob77 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:52 pm

Heard today that the University is working with at least 23 Marygrove students who are considering transferring to Detroit Mercy. UDM might get a small enrollment bump from Mg's situation, but likely won't move the needle significantly. We have 569 students already confirmed for the freshmen class, about a modest five percent increase over last year. Our transfers number is down slightly, projected at 179, 15 less than last year.

Seems like enrollment has stabilized, but a lot has to be done to maintain even that path due to changing demographics. UDM's average ACT for incoming freshmen is 25, last year was 24; average GPA 3.6, up from 3.5. Encouraging to see this trend.

UDM's current student-to-faculty ratio is 10:1, looking to get it to 13:1. University currently has frozen most hiring, looking to reduce payroll costs by offering a retirement incentive to faculty and staff age 55+.
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby Tacitus651 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:13 pm

Maybe Garibaldi will take that early retirement deal?!
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby StJoeUofD » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:07 am

Didn't I read in a post a while ago that the dormitories are full? If so, maybe renting the Marygrove dorms is an option to expand on campus enrollment.
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby Rogobob77 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:00 pm

Article from Detroit Free Press:

"Marygrove undergrad program decision is 'kick in the stomach'"

http://on.freep.com/2x8DHyx
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby Hoopster_Now_In_DC » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:45 am

Rogobob77 wrote:Article from Detroit Free Press:

"Marygrove undergrad program decision is 'kick in the stomach'"

http://on.freep.com/2x8DHyx


Unbelievable, in so many ways.
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Re: Marygrove halting undergrad programs

Postby Rogobob77 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:48 am

Article from Detroit Free Press:

“Death of Marygrove athletics: How coaches fought to keep playing careers alive”

http://on.freep.com/2A9H4VT
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