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Postby Commissioner » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:36 am

Wayne State

When: Saturday, Nov. 4, 7:00 p.m.
Where: Historic Calihan Hall
TV: None
Radio: WDTK FM 101.5; AM 1400

Fans can get a first glimpse of the 2017-18 Titans on Saturday when the Titans host Wayne State. Though an exhibition on both teams’ schedules, the game is also for the revitalized “City Cup,” currently—and embarrassingly for the D-I Titans—held by Wayne State after last year’s 85-79 win over the Titans. Wayne State is a pretty good D-II team. Nevertheless, the bottom line on this game is that while it should be a good test for the Titan guards, anything less than a solid double digit victory should be, like last year, an early warning sign.

The Titans and Wayne State have played 46 times when it counts, with Detroit Mercy leading the series 33-13 (This number doesn’t count last year’s exhibition, and won’t count this year’s either). The teams last played in the regular season in the 2000-01 season opener, with the Titans winning 98-73.

Wayne State's basketball history goes back to 1917, when they played as Detroit Junior College. The Tartars, as they were known from the 1920s, became Detroit City College before the 1923-1924 season. The 1928 Tartars finished 16-1 and in the “recreated historic polls” developed for the Encyclopedia of College Basketball, were retroactively ranked as the #20 team in the country that year. They became Wayne State in 1934-35, which was the first season they played the Titans. Wayne won both match-ups that year against one of the worst Titan teams ever (the Titans finished 4-10).

In the immediate post-war period Wayne was what we would today call a solid, respectable "mid-major" program, and was briefly a member of the MAC. In the decade following the war the rivalry was at its peak, with the teams playing annually, usually home and home series (although Wayne actually played its home games at the Memorial Building for four seasons, 1954 through 1957). From the 1946 through 1955 seasons, the teams met 20 times, with the Titans winning 11 and the Tartars 9. In 1953, the Tartars started the season 9-0 and cracked the AP top 20 after beating Detroit, Memphis State, and Duquesne (which finished the year ranked 9th in the country) just before Christmas. But the Titans got revenge, beating the Tartars late in the season. In the 1954-55 season, the Titans actually beat Wayne three times, twice as scheduled games and a third time in the finals of the Motor City Tournament, after Wayne upset Penn State in the opening round. Before the 1955-56 season, the NCAA split into two divisions, the "University" or "Major College" division, and the "College" division for smaller schools. Wayne opted for the latter, and the teams quit playing each other. Oddly enough, Wayne had its greatest season ever that year, going 17-1 in the regular season with it's only loss to Louisville. Though now a "College Division" team, the Tartars were awarded an NCAA bid, and beat DePaul in the first round before falling to Kentucky.

The series resumed in the 1970s when Dick Vitale took over at Detroit, with the now-DII Tartars serving as regular fodder for the Titans through the 1987 season (UDM went 11-0 vs. Wayne State from 1974 through 1987.) After a few years off, the rivalry resumed in 1992. In 1993, Wayne State upset Perry Watson's first Titan squad in the season opener. The teams played most seasons through the 2001 season, with the Titans winning six straight until the rivalry was dropped. Meanwhile, in 1999, Wayne State inexplicably* dropped one of the great, unique college nicknames, the Tartars, to become the generically boring, slightly un-PC “Warriors” in 1999.

One of Bacari Alexander’s first moves after taking the helm at Detroit-Mercy last year was to relaunch the rivalry as the Detroit City Cup, with proceeds from the gate going to assist Detroit Public Schools. But it turned out to be rather embarrassing, as Wayne State never trailed in the second half and gained a 6 point win in Bacari's first game as Titan head coach.

With a roster full of talented, veteran guards, Wayne State is certainly good enough to give the Titans a tussle again. The Warriors finished 16-10 last year (not counting their exhibition win over Detroit-Mercy) and were picked to finish second this year in the GLIAC South.

Three starters return from last year’s team: Marcus Moore, who led Wayne State in last year’s game with 22 points and 12 rebounds; diminutive guard Ron Boothe (he’s 5-7), who scored 14 points last year; and Senior forward Chuck Key (what were his parents thinking?), who was one of the few ineffective Wayne State players last year, fouling out with 5 points on 1-5 shooting from the field, and with just 1 rebound. But Key, we should note, was an All-GLIAC selection last year and arguably the team's best player. Also back is last year’s 6th man, shooting guard George Spencer, who put up 13 against the Titans.

Boothe (14.6), Key (14.5), and Moore (12.7) were the three leading scorers in a balanced attack last year. Spencer was the #5 scorer at 7.7 ppg.

Wayne will start three or even four guards again, though it’s not clear that the first three will be Moore, Boothe, and Spencer. That’s because Wayne State has a couple of former D-I players who have transferred in—both of whom were recruited by the Titans when in high school.

Milan’s Latin Davis comes back to the Detroit area after two seasons at Youngstown State. Davis was a major part of YSU’s rotation early last year (he played 32 minutes against Michigan State, and scored 19 points in an overtime loss at Toledo), but saw his time dwindle in conference play. He wound up averaging 2.9 points and 1 assists in about 12 minutes per game. Davis shoots well and won’t feel outclassed by D-I competition--he's already played the Titans 5 times in his collegiate career. Davis played just 8 minutes in each of Detroit’s games against YSU last year, finishing with a total of 5 points. In five games against the Titans in two years, he scored 16 points and had 7 assists. The other transfer is Marquel Ingram, out of Detroit Pershing. Ingram started at Bethune-Cookman, and had a solid enough freshman year, averaging over 12 minutes per game in 27 games. But last year he played in just 1 game—I don’t know the reason why, as I can’t find any injury report or report on him leaving the team. Still, he’s a former D-I recruit so he’ll likely get good playing time.

Wayne has another good guard in freshman Darian Owens-White, out of River Rouge, who was a borderline D-I recruit. Also look for redshirt freshman guard E. J. Haralson, Jr., the son of the former Titan star. Haralson is likely to get lost in Wayne’s deep backcourt, but we shall see.

Up front, the Warriors were dealt a blow when starting center Tristan Wilson, who missed last season with a shoulder injury, tore his ACL earlier this month. He’s out. That means the 6-6 Key is the tallest player on Wayne State’s active roster. They’ve also got 6-5 junior Javon Henderson, a transfer from little Siena Heights, but he wasn’t much even at that level, averaging under 3 points and 2 rebounds. Redshirt junior forward Nick Mutebi, a UDJ grad, will try to help out but he’s just 6-3.

The Titan big men shouldn’t be too challenged. Jaleel Hogan had 18 points and 9 rebounds last year, but fouled out early. I don’t think we’ll see that level of foul trouble again. With a much better, deeper, front court, Detroit should be able to dominate inside, even if, as rumored, Roschon Prince might not be cleared to play. But we'll see--last year the Warriors did a pretty good job pressuring our guards and fronting the bigs so that our front line didn't get too many touches.

Wayne’s ability to contest this game will come down to whether the guards can repeat last year's dominance. They are an experienced group--Moore, Boothe, and Spencer are all seniors, and Davis and Ingram are juniors who bring D-I experience to the roster. They’ve got good three point shooting back there—they’ll likely start 4 guys who hit over 36% from three last year. The Titans turned it over 18 times last year, but they played the game without Josh McFolley. Meanwhile, though Corey Allen scored 20 points, he also showed first-game freshman jitters, with 7 turnovers.

So if Wayne State contests this game, it will likely be because they force turnovers from the guards and hit us with a flurry of three pointers. They’re a veteran team, and they won’t be awed by a D-I club they beat last year. The Titans will have to earn this victory.

Nevertheless, I expect this year the Titan guards will be up to the task. If they are, the front line should be able to do as they please, even though Key is a pretty good defensive player.

Some things to look for:
- Will Prince play?
- What kind of shape is Hogan in, after a summer spent focusing on academics?
- Is Isaiah Jones able to go?
- Can Blackshear play with his back to the basket against this smaller team?
- Will one of Long, Ballantyne, and Tariq Jones stake a claim to the role of second forward off the bench?
- Has Eichler improved?
- How much time does JJJ get? Does he look like our future floor general?

This game will be a good test for the guards, and a chance for the forwards to work on things against smaller players. Last year’s awful season started with a loss to Wayne State. Hopefully this year we’ll start a good season with an impressive win.

Wayne State Probable Starters
G – Marcus Moore, 6-2 Sr. (12.7 ppg, 4.1 apg, 6.5 rpg, 38% 3PFG%)
G – Ronald Boothe, 5-7 Sr. (14.6 ppg, 36.6% 3PFG%)
G – Latin Davis, 5-11 Jr. (2.9 ppg, 36% 3PtFG% at Youngstown State)
G/SF – George Spencer, 6-4 Sr. (7.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 43.6% 3PFG%)
F – Chuck Key, 6-6 Sr. (14.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg)

Key Reserves
G- Marquel Ingram, 6-1 Jr. (Transfer from Bethune Cookman)
G – Darian Owens-White, 6-0 Fr.
G – Karim Murray, 6-2 So. (2.4 ppg)
F – Javon Henderson, 6-5 Jr. (transfer from Siena Heights)
F – Nick Mutebe, 6-3 RS Jr. (2.0 ppg, 2.3 rpg)

*A stated reason was that no one knows what a Tartar is anymore. So, for any lurking OU fans, a Tartar is the generic name Europeans gave for centuries to the Mongols, and their allied/subject Turks, who overran the steppes of Asia from the Pacific to the Urals under Genghis Kahn, snatching as well lands far west of the Don all the way to Hungary, where they were stopped only by the death of the Great Kahn. A fierce people indeed. Instead, the Warriors' new mascot is a sort of cross between a slug and a dragon (with an inexplicable crown on his head) that seemingly has nothing to do with a warrior. Presumably, the Warriors were concerned that featuring an American Indian mascot would bring down the forces of multiculturalism upon them, and not imaginative enough to realize that any soldier could qualify as a “Warrior.” Since the school is ultimately named for revolutionary war hero General "Mad" Anthony Wayne, they could just use a revolutionary war soldier. Wayne's subsequent victory over an American Indian confederation at the Battle of Fallen Timbers in 1794, however, might still leave them a target of the SJWs. Best to go back to Tartars.

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Wayne State's mascot, "W the Warrior." A combatant for our times.

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A Tartar warrior.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby NC Titan » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:47 am

Strictly speaking, the Mongol warriors were correctly called the Tatars, not the Tartars. Tartar is the sauce you have with deep-fried fish or the white powder used in baking. Now how that would be portrayed as a mascot ....
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby titanmac » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:58 am

:P :P :P +1 nct
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby Commissioner » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:48 pm

NC Titan wrote:Strictly speaking, the Mongol warriors were correctly called the Tatars, not the Tartars. Tartar is the sauce you have with deep-fried fish or the white powder used in baking. Now how that would be portrayed as a mascot ....

LOL, NCT. But http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=579. Tatars were a tribe conquered by the Mongols. Tartars was what Europeans, especially Russians, called all the various Mongol and Mongol allied groups, including the Tatars.

And a tatar, by the way, is a starchy, tuberous plant that makes for good eating. Some people even eat their tatars with tartar sauce.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby Tacitus651 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:41 pm

FFS we need the season to start!
#Tartars
Make Detroit Mercy Do Great Things Again!

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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby NC Titan » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:54 pm

Commish -- Wikipedia, the ultimate source, lists Tartar as an alternative spelling for Tatar. So.....

As a Southerner for 40 years, the starchy tuber is a tater, not tatar.

And, most important, does Wayne State want its mascot to be a potato or a fish sandwich smothered in mayo and pickle relish?
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby titanmac » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:42 pm

obviously you've been below the mason dixon line for too long old friend. time to move back to detroit!
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby MooseGuy1 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:25 pm

NC, not to complicate matters but the old baseball player George Scott (I seem to remember him mostly with the Red Sox) called home runs "taters". He was a Southerner, too, born in Greenville, Mississippi.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby MooseGuy1 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:31 pm

How am I supposed to follow the Commissioners doorstop size tome of a preview about an exhibition game with a GLIAC team? I went to school at Wayne State (back in the Tartar days) and didn't know 90% of the Comm's information. It's good stuff, as always. Comprehensive, too.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby JimmyChitwood » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:08 am

I say patarter. You say patatar.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby titanmac » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:03 am

how do you top a tar?
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby NC Titan » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:51 pm

titanmac wrote:obviously you've been below the mason dixon line for too long old friend. time to move back to detroit!


Any Mongols living here in NC are known as Tatar Heels.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby uofdmik2008 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:27 pm

Commissioner wrote:
NC Titan wrote:Strictly speaking, the Mongol warriors were correctly called the Tatars, not the Tartars. Tartar is the sauce you have with deep-fried fish or the white powder used in baking. Now how that would be portrayed as a mascot ....

LOL, NCT. But http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=579. Tatars were a tribe conquered by the Mongols. Tartars was what Europeans, especially Russians, called all the various Mongol and Mongol allied groups, including the Tatars.

And a tatar, by the way, is a starchy, tuberous plant that makes for good eating. Some people even eat their tatars with tartar sauce.


Historically Russians and Ukrainians refer to them in a historical context as Mongolian-Tatars in reference to the times of Genghis Khan due to the confederation of Mongolic Tribes and the Tatar people, to this day there is an ethnicity called the Tatars which live in many regions of Russia and Ukraine, predominantly though in the regions of Tatarostan, Bashkirtostan and Crimea (many Tatars were forcibly removed from their lands under communist rule). The fact that it referred to an ethnicity and deemed politically incorrect as well as obscure I suspect is the reason WSU moved to Warriors.

Монголо-татары which literally means Mogolian-Tatars
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby titanmac » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:52 pm

ok. gotta do it: tep on the brake tupid
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby TitanTarHeel » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:43 pm

Titan message board...come for Commish's exhaustive & strong previews, stay for follow up posts full of various bits of good, supplemental information. Good stuff gentlemen, go Titans!
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby Rumpole59 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:25 am

As they say in Texas to compliment grandma on a sublime dish of taters, Commissioner has “hung the moon” with this preview.

Let’s hope the team feeds off his example of Titan effort.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby Commissioner » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:08 pm

Starting 5 of Jackson, McFolley, Allen, Chatman, Blackshear.

First two Titan buckets are treys by Chatman. JJJ adds a third. Hogan enters and scores. Titans 11-8. Ragged, lots of turnovers.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby Commissioner » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:34 pm

Prince is playing. Titans shooting poorly, turning it over.
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby MooseGuy1 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:37 pm

Commissioner wrote:Prince is playing. Titans shooting poorly, turning it over.

Are you here at the game?
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Re: Wayne State Preview

Postby MooseGuy1 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:41 pm

Rick Barry is playing for us. Oh, nevermind. It's just Jaleel Hogan.
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