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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby titanmac » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:45 pm

jackson is tge heir apparent and a great choice to continue. he's a winner. he will win here.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby JimmyChitwood » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:51 pm

JDetroitTitan wrote:My sources tell me that Bacari is suspended because of some strong language used towards a student or kid that parent(s) worked for the school. That is why he isn’t coaching can anyone verify this?

I don't think anyone can officially verify it, but it appears to be what many have heard.
cjmcgow35 wrote:Steve Bell retweeted this: "From our guy in Michigan, Bacari said some things to one of the players, the player went to the AD, and now they’re strongly considering finding a new coach

https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/sta ... 8786526213


But its got to me more than just that. I just hope it gets resolved someway soon.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby Tacitus651 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:58 pm

uofdfan1983 wrote:Because BA coach's the men's team, not the women's team. It was a player. Don't start making this even worse than it already is. A player talked to his parents and it went from there.


Ok, you say it was a MBB player and another poster a few posts up says it was a "student" and suggests it was not a player. It's a message board and no one's word is worth more than anyone else's word. The university hasn't said much of anything, and maybe for good reason. But until you get facts you get rumors and conjecture.

Whatever happened, I know it was bad enough to see BA suspended for quite sometime. And if he did something that warrants a suspension of this magnitude, I probably don't want him coaching at my alma mater ever again. The post by bc argues that students shouldn't come forward with complaints or speak up when people in authority positions do something wrong. I don't think most Detroit Mercy fans agree with that, and I don't think most fans on this board agree with that. Whoever the student is, he/she did the right thing. Especially considering the aggression was by a coach who constantly brags about doing things "the Detroit Mercy way."
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby JDetroitTitan » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:19 pm

uofdfan1983 wrote:Because BA coach's the men's team, not the women's team. It was a player. Don't start making this even worse than it already is. A player talked to his parents and it went from there.


What players parents have this much pull to side line a head coach for so long? All I am saying is stick and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby Titans96 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:02 pm

Titans96 wrote:I can just imagine what went on in practice to cause this fiasco...

Bacari: Screaming at the top of his lungs... JJJr you are not allowed to shoot 3's anymore because you "su**" at shooting 3's! Also, why are you such a "*#+&^%" ball hog, and never pass the ball to anyone? Plus, you "su**" on defense!

JJJr runs crying to his daddy's buddy Vowles (at the urging of his daddy), to complain about Bacari, trying to get him fired.

Mission accomplished! JJJr keeps on being a ball hog, not playing defense and shooting like he is good or something, plus his daddy gets the head coaching job.

This issue has JJSr written all over it!

The problem is, JJSr is and will always be an awful coach, the team is still terrible, the players are disgruntled and they will remain in the RPI 300's range.


The above is the likely scenario. BA didn’t do anything wrong and there isn’t a coach in the country who doesn’t use foul language and yell at players. Do you think that Beilein or Izzo don’t cuss at their players? This was a set up, plain and simple.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby HSScout1 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:04 am

From the Varsity News (also separate articles on Kam and JJ, Jr):

http://www.thevarsitynews.net/news/view.php/1031322/Wheres-Bacari
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby HSScout1 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:49 pm

From Perry Farrell - what really happened

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/956363001? ... ssion=true
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby TitanTarHeel » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:12 pm

I really wish it never happened - for everyone involved. You know Coaches get mad and scream at their players from time to time, but that all seems different than what its reported that BA did. Not good for the school. Not good for anyone.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby Motor City Sam » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:34 pm

HSScout1 wrote:From Perry Farrell - what really happened

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/956363001? ... ssion=true


What a mess.

Well, that's not the player I was expecting it to be, but it matches up with what I heard. And now you've got a lawyer on the record talking about it. It's probably going to get uglier.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby MooseGuy1 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:27 am

Ugh!!! Oh, this is really ugly. I guess I thought it was just your run of the mill garden-variety profanity or blasphemy and the kid's family overreacted. But this is way the hell over the line. No one is perfect; God knows I'm not. I have said many things I've not been proud of and asked the forgiveness of those I hurt and of God. But nothing like this--ever. If this account is as Farrell reports, and it sounds like it is, it's really a grotesque thing to say and even worse to physically grab the kid's junk. I truly am sickened and saddened by it. I can't find any reason for Bacari to go there.

Just awful.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby ptctitan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:55 am

Agree with Sam. Hope it does not.

Mooseguy1 - no touching the player was alleged. Only one side of the story, too. What did the player say or do that prompted the response? Also, he started the next two games. He could not have been all that traumatized as claimed by the lawyer.

I do not like the timing of the story.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby JimmyChitwood » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:52 am

It sounds like BA cupped his own junk, not the players. That gesture and phrase was likely the least offensive thing that player heard on the court or locker room that day.

Yes, BA was wrong and should face some small discipline, but it is clearly a money grab for these parents and their attorney, and that is disgusting. The players and family's damages for such a comment are very minimal if any. This is a shakedown and no attorney would ever take this case to a trial. Telling a player to blow them is worse than the coach hitting a player? Really?!? The University better stand up to this extortion attempt and not settle just to keep this private, giving my donation to these parents. I guarantee you my wife was more offended by the students swearing in a " cheer" in unison a few years ago than this player was. Give me $200,000.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby udballer » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:50 am

Can't wait for this thread to morph into one of the 200 stories about sexual harassment out there today. It's already on that path, it seems. Blaming the kid or his parents for BA doing something totally unacceptable? Get a grip.

I, for one, am not one of the ultra- touchy parents who thinks profanity and discipline doesn't have a place in athletics, especially at the college level. Therefore, I think the 7 game suspension was enough and it's time to move forward. That said, I'm also not going to place blame on anyone but BA in this instance because he took it too far. Profanity is one thing, but in a role of coach and (like out or not) mentor, you can't be acting like any other dipshit and telling a player to suck it. That should be common sense.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby JimmyChitwood » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:06 pm

udballer wrote:Blaming the kid or his parents for BA doing something totally unacceptable? Get a grip.

I don't see anyone blaming the kid or his parents for BA's actions. Only BA is to blame for the incident and he was very wrong. I do blame the parents for attempting to take advantage of the situation.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby ptctitan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:26 pm

I have a big problem with the father complaining about the lack of direct communication between him and the school and BA - especially since the father talked to a reporter, disclosed a private message from BA to a reporter, has a family lawyer talking to the media, and he himself is talking in legalese damage jargon to the reporter. And he orchestrated this story to appear on the day before the Michigan game. BA is accountable for his words and actions, but so is the father accountable for his words and actions here. And I have the feeling that his son just wants to get back on the court and play ball with his teammates.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby MooseGuy1 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:28 pm

ptctitan wrote:Agree with Sam. Hope it does not.

Mooseguy1 - no touching the player was alleged. Only one side of the story, too. What did the player say or do that prompted the response? Also, he started the next two games. He could not have been all that traumatized as claimed by the lawyer.

I do not like the timing of the story.


Thank you, ptc. I thoroughly apologize. I misread that part of the story. I do not want to make it worse by posting something false. I'm very sorry for that. I did so in error.

I still, though, find this remark from BA to be over the line. For me, it is a repulsive thing for a head coach to say to a player and unacceptable. It obviously has a vulgar sexual connotation and there should be no place for that at a Jesuit university. Call me a snowflake or whatever. I don't care. I can't get my mind around this. Obviously, coaches or boot camp seargents say things that are tough but maybe necessary to mold a young person into a man. I have no issue with that part. But this is over the top and accomplishes nothing but cultivates a bad team dynamic. I just hate that it happened.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby Titan JJ » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:07 pm

I agree Moose, I don’t think he should have said that either. It’s definitely not something a coach should say to a player. Glad he apologized and hope he learns from it. Hopefully the player won’t be affected by it too much.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby udballer » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:47 pm

JimmyChitwood wrote:
udballer wrote:Blaming the kid or his parents for BA doing something totally unacceptable? Get a grip.

I don't see anyone blaming the kid or his parents for BA's actions. Only BA is to blame for the incident and he was very wrong. I do blame the parents for attempting to take advantage of the situation.


I saw you attempting to turn the conversation toward something negative about the parents, rather than focusing on the root cause of the issue, so I mentioned it. Your comments obviously attempt to minimize the seriousness of BAs actions and make the parents the bad guys. You may not agree with the parents actions (and I may not either), but I think we should keep our eyes on the ball on this one.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby ptctitan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:34 pm

I don't think that JimmyChitwood is trying to minimize BA's actions. I think that he notes two separate aspects to this problem. The first was caused by BA's intemperance. But we are now 40 days after the incident. BA accepted and admitted that he was wrong and apologized to the player and his parents in writing.

But, in Act II, the father appears still to be stirring the pot about it. And he's dealing through a lawyer and spouting jargon that is usually found in a lawsuit. We have good cause to be concerned about both acts of this drama. Both adults bear responsibility for their actions. The wrongs of BA do not excuse or justify any act by the father after the matter apparently was settled between the coach, the player, and the AD.
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Re: Bacari suspended

Postby Titans96 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:02 pm

This drama is adding to the damage being done to the university.

BA is an idiot and has no right to lead this team.
JJSr was successful in getting his way when his recruit’s father went off the reservation and decided to go for the money grab and get BA fired.

All of this was set up by our incompetent AD who put this disastrous staff together.

Someone yelled to Dwayne Stevens today if he was glad he didn’t take the UDM job. He didn’t reply but you could tell he was relieved. He knew better, and sure as hell wasnt going to let some dumb AD force JJSr on him.

Also, I saw the UD Jesuit coach was at the LCA. He would have been a strong choice by our AD, but our AD is not smart or good.

Simple answer to this mess: Vowels, BA, JJSr and the entire basketball staff need to be terminated and we should start from scratch. I am sure we can get better people at much better compensation. There is zero good happening at UDM on the basketball front.
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