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Re: A Very Moosey Take On The Bacari Situation

Postby Motor City Sam » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:28 pm

MooseGuy1 wrote:The longer this goes on, the less likely it is that Bacari Alexander returns as head coach.

It’s been my understanding that BA said something of a profane nature to a player on the MBB team. I tend to believe this, not because I have any inside information but from what I’ve heard from those who are in the know.

This claim has also been vouchsafed by those close to the program, mainly Tom Buysse who publically posted in the other thread: “Because BA coach's the men's team, not the women's team. It was a player. Don't start making this even worse than it already is. A player talked to his parents and it went from there.” Tom does not dump on the program, nor does he pass along provocative rumors. He is very circumspect in what he says, both privately and publically. I tend to trust him.

Okay, let’s assume for a moment that BA’s offense is the dressing down of a player during practice. This raises a number of issues:

It appears, on the surface, to be an overreaction to the offense. If Bacari can get a 6 or 7 game suspension (and still growing) for a profane outburst at a player, it had to be world-class profanity. In college athletics, colorful language from coaches seems to be de rigueur. Bobby Knight had a long and storied career using profane, obscene, and blasphemous language on a daily basis. (I heard it from a reliable source that when he woke up in the morning, Mrs. Knight would say “Good morning, dear.” And Bob would tell he to go f*** herself and tip over the vanity.) He’s just one of many foulmouthed coaches. Yet I’ve never heard of a player complaining to his parents or the AD over it. I’m not defending that kind of talk, as I find it boorish and indicative of a person who is unable to express themselves well. The point is that there had to be something very special about this particular outburst to warrant such a response from the university, which leads me to some uncomfortable conclusions.

We know that Jermaine Jackson was championed by the AD’s office to be hired as an assistant for Ray. It’s likely that the same stipulation was in place for the Alexander regime. My guess—and it’s just a guess—is that Vowels wanted to hire JJ to replace Ray but ran into objections from the university President and influential alumni due to JJ having no head coaching experience at this level, as well as a less than sterling reputation as a high school coach. As someone said, there was a lot of drama with Jackson.

At this point, Vowels had to do a couple of things, one easy, one difficult. Canning Ray was the easy part, because most people who follow the program believed that Ray had hit his ceiling. Firing him was, if not universally popular, not strongly objected to by most, save Moose. The hard part for Vowels was hiring Bacari Alexander as head coach. My guess is that he always preferred JJ but the time just wasn’t right for reasons I stated in a previous paragraph. Bacari is an impressive man, at least from a distance. I should add that I’ve never perceived Alexander as a loose cannon. He says the right things and is easy to like and support. Just remember his initial speech. It was good and gave no indication of a man struggling with his own plans or moral compass. I was a fan of Ray but even I had to admit that Bacari appeared to be a good choice for Head Coach.

Now here is where I get conspiratorial, theoretical, and just shooting from the hip. But I feel it makes a certain sense:

Jermaine Jackson would not be happy to play second fiddle indefinitely. He is driven, if nothing else. This probably created tension between the former teammates from the jump. Jermaine also has a son who I’d bet Mac’s life on believes will one day be in the NBA. If Bacari played Jr. anything less than 36 minutes a game, regardless of performance, JJ would seethe. He already knew that he had a big booster in AD Vowels, so the next step was sabotaging Bacari’s position.

So one fine day, after another disheartening performance, BA let’s some players have it. Perhaps he even calls out the future NBA star, making him the primary (but not only) target of his wrath. JJ then encourages said player (let’s call him Jermaine Jackson Jr., for lack of a better term) to narc on Bacari. AD Vowels then calls aside JJ Sr. and they have a chat. Senior dutifully undercuts Alexander, perhaps suggesting that Bacari has lost the team and it’s in danger of imploding through player defections. AD Vowels calls the President (not Trump, the guy who dresses better) and passes along the dire circumstances about the State of the Titans. Garibaldi sighs, agreeing that a disaster for our flagship sport is looming on the horizon. But Garibaldi is a smart man. He knows that showing Bacari the door will cost us some money we really don’t have to waste and might be very unpopular with a segment of the alumni and fan base. Which leads to this weird, open ended suspension.

My guess is that the sticking point is salary. In particular, Bacari is asking for all his money because he rightfully knows he’s getting a platinum level screwing from the AD and his former friend. Vowels, as far as withholding all or part of BA’s remaining salary for the silly reason of a misplaced “F” word, probably has no leg to stand on and is trying to find a way to dismiss Alexander for some variety of intolerable “Moral Turpitude” and under the aegis of the university President and Board. But you just can’t get canned for swearing at a player! The sports world doesn’t work like that, as my Bobby Knight example so wonderfully demonstrates. Therefore, Vowels, with the aid of JJ, try to paint Bacari in the worst light possible in order to make him go away quietly and inexpensively. Perhaps they even manage to find a greater violation of ethics (real, or cut from whole cloth, or anything in between) and threaten BA with professional ruination. Then they lowball Bacari with an insulting buyout figure. Let’s assume that Bacari sees the writing on the wall, calls shenanigans, and let’s Vowels, in no uncertain terms, know just what the “F” word sounds like coming from his mouth…perhaps concluding with “…you.” He already knows his days of coaching the Titans are caput and it’s time for damage control. So…he does what I’d do: retains an attorney to navigate these waters in a way that concludes with him getting a full buyout and allowing him to maintain his reputation. Negotiations take a long time, though, which explains why this has gone on so long.

Bacari isn’t coming back. Probably doesn’t want to at this point. It would indeed be an untenable situation unless JJ resigned—and that happens when mooses fly out of my butt. Simply put, the negotiations are in progress and may take a while if each side is entrenched in their relative positions.


That's as plausible a scenario as anything else I have heard, Moose. Parts of it match up with other things I have heard.
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Re: A Very Moosey Take On The Bacari Situation

Postby Motor City Sam » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:28 pm

MooseGuy1 wrote:The longer this goes on, the less likely it is that Bacari Alexander returns as head coach.

It’s been my understanding that BA said something of a profane nature to a player on the MBB team. I tend to believe this, not because I have any inside information but from what I’ve heard from those who are in the know.

This claim has also been vouchsafed by those close to the program, mainly Tom Buysse who publically posted in the other thread: “Because BA coach's the men's team, not the women's team. It was a player. Don't start making this even worse than it already is. A player talked to his parents and it went from there.” Tom does not dump on the program, nor does he pass along provocative rumors. He is very circumspect in what he says, both privately and publically. I tend to trust him.

Okay, let’s assume for a moment that BA’s offense is the dressing down of a player during practice. This raises a number of issues:

It appears, on the surface, to be an overreaction to the offense. If Bacari can get a 6 or 7 game suspension (and still growing) for a profane outburst at a player, it had to be world-class profanity. In college athletics, colorful language from coaches seems to be de rigueur. Bobby Knight had a long and storied career using profane, obscene, and blasphemous language on a daily basis. (I heard it from a reliable source that when he woke up in the morning, Mrs. Knight would say “Good morning, dear.” And Bob would tell he to go f*** herself and tip over the vanity.) He’s just one of many foulmouthed coaches. Yet I’ve never heard of a player complaining to his parents or the AD over it. I’m not defending that kind of talk, as I find it boorish and indicative of a person who is unable to express themselves well. The point is that there had to be something very special about this particular outburst to warrant such a response from the university, which leads me to some uncomfortable conclusions.

We know that Jermaine Jackson was championed by the AD’s office to be hired as an assistant for Ray. It’s likely that the same stipulation was in place for the Alexander regime. My guess—and it’s just a guess—is that Vowels wanted to hire JJ to replace Ray but ran into objections from the university President and influential alumni due to JJ having no head coaching experience at this level, as well as a less than sterling reputation as a high school coach. As someone said, there was a lot of drama with Jackson.

At this point, Vowels had to do a couple of things, one easy, one difficult. Canning Ray was the easy part, because most people who follow the program believed that Ray had hit his ceiling. Firing him was, if not universally popular, not strongly objected to by most, save Moose. The hard part for Vowels was hiring Bacari Alexander as head coach. My guess is that he always preferred JJ but the time just wasn’t right for reasons I stated in a previous paragraph. Bacari is an impressive man, at least from a distance. I should add that I’ve never perceived Alexander as a loose cannon. He says the right things and is easy to like and support. Just remember his initial speech. It was good and gave no indication of a man struggling with his own plans or moral compass. I was a fan of Ray but even I had to admit that Bacari appeared to be a good choice for Head Coach.

Now here is where I get conspiratorial, theoretical, and just shooting from the hip. But I feel it makes a certain sense:

Jermaine Jackson would not be happy to play second fiddle indefinitely. He is driven, if nothing else. This probably created tension between the former teammates from the jump. Jermaine also has a son who I’d bet Mac’s life on believes will one day be in the NBA. If Bacari played Jr. anything less than 36 minutes a game, regardless of performance, JJ would seethe. He already knew that he had a big booster in AD Vowels, so the next step was sabotaging Bacari’s position.

So one fine day, after another disheartening performance, BA let’s some players have it. Perhaps he even calls out the future NBA star, making him the primary (but not only) target of his wrath. JJ then encourages said player (let’s call him Jermaine Jackson Jr., for lack of a better term) to narc on Bacari. AD Vowels then calls aside JJ Sr. and they have a chat. Senior dutifully undercuts Alexander, perhaps suggesting that Bacari has lost the team and it’s in danger of imploding through player defections. AD Vowels calls the President (not Trump, the guy who dresses better) and passes along the dire circumstances about the State of the Titans. Garibaldi sighs, agreeing that a disaster for our flagship sport is looming on the horizon. But Garibaldi is a smart man. He knows that showing Bacari the door will cost us some money we really don’t have to waste and might be very unpopular with a segment of the alumni and fan base. Which leads to this weird, open ended suspension.

My guess is that the sticking point is salary. In particular, Bacari is asking for all his money because he rightfully knows he’s getting a platinum level screwing from the AD and his former friend. Vowels, as far as withholding all or part of BA’s remaining salary for the silly reason of a misplaced “F” word, probably has no leg to stand on and is trying to find a way to dismiss Alexander for some variety of intolerable “Moral Turpitude” and under the aegis of the university President and Board. But you just can’t get canned for swearing at a player! The sports world doesn’t work like that, as my Bobby Knight example so wonderfully demonstrates. Therefore, Vowels, with the aid of JJ, try to paint Bacari in the worst light possible in order to make him go away quietly and inexpensively. Perhaps they even manage to find a greater violation of ethics (real, or cut from whole cloth, or anything in between) and threaten BA with professional ruination. Then they lowball Bacari with an insulting buyout figure. Let’s assume that Bacari sees the writing on the wall, calls shenanigans, and let’s Vowels, in no uncertain terms, know just what the “F” word sounds like coming from his mouth…perhaps concluding with “…you.” He already knows his days of coaching the Titans are caput and it’s time for damage control. So…he does what I’d do: retains an attorney to navigate these waters in a way that concludes with him getting a full buyout and allowing him to maintain his reputation. Negotiations take a long time, though, which explains why this has gone on so long.

Bacari isn’t coming back. Probably doesn’t want to at this point. It would indeed be an untenable situation unless JJ resigned—and that happens when mooses fly out of my butt. Simply put, the negotiations are in progress and may take a while if each side is entrenched in their relative positions.


That's as plausible a scenario as anything else I have heard, Moose. Parts of it match up with other things I have heard.
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Re: A Very Moosey Take On The Bacari Situation

Postby MooseGuy1 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:53 pm

This is mostly for titanmike:

I sincerely hope Coach Alexander is back for the Toledo game. It would mean that my scenario is all wet. That's fine with me if BA is restored as coach. I'd like to be wrong. But even a 6 game suspension for a verbal flare up troubles me. Does this mean that Bacari is on a short leash? Will his every move be scrutinized by his boss and--worse yet--an assistant? An assistant with a lot of possible conflicts of interest because of the nature of his relationship with the AD, his son, and the true Head Coach? The fact is that a lot about the whole deal feels funny. I never get that vibe from Coach Chatman and his son. Granted, my vibe-o-meter may not be perfectly calibrated but I honestly don't give a crap. It still seems like BA will have to walk on egg shells to avoid another "violation" given the undeniable fact that he's been on ice for 6 games for what sounds like a minor issue. The AD needs to explain his rationale for such a long punishment. He has to reveal just what was so bad that BA did. I don't mean a word-for-word recitation of the altercation with the player, but certainly he needs to make it very clear that what Alexander did is worthy of such a draconian response. Otherwise, it just leaves a lot of open-ended questions about the nature of his coaching tenure from here on out. Will he be just one more incident from getting the boot? While wins, losses, NCAA violations, and ethics violations all come under the purview of an AD, and rightfully so, his style of coaching should be whatever he feels will bring the team success.

I admitted that my scenario is just a guess. But it seems close to the mark. Something is going on concerning our Head Coach, his assistant, the AD, the players, and at least one player's family. If the posts on this forum and in the papers have a basis in fact, that is.

Just for the record (and my opinion, admittedly, is low on the food chain): Bacari Alexander should be reinstated with full pay unless the AD can conclusively demonstrate (with proof) that Alexander did something grievous enough to warrant such a big reaction. Anything else is not fair to him...or to the supporters of the program, many on this forum who give of their hard earned money and time to support this athletic program, and who deserve an explanation. Even if, as a private institution, UDM is not legally required to do so. I don't give enough to even think I deserve an explanation. My funds are limited but I support this team the best I can. But others give a whole heckuva a lot and deserve to be enlightened to the reasoning behind this suspension. I'm speaking for NC, UP, Commish, Tom, terryTylerFan, sacredheartgreg, titanmike, my good friend Sam, the booster organizations like the Titan and CAL Club, and many others that I apologize to for not naming. These people have a right to know how, when, where and why their funds are being used in this way. You guys may not need (or even want) my support but I still believe you deserve some transparency from the institution you support.

I'm sorry for going off like this. I prefer to be just a guy who makes silly, good-natured, and hopefully fun posts. Kind of a mini-Tacitus, without the sense of humor, education, or youth. But, silly as I may be, I do have a sense of fair play. There is almost nothing I feel as strongly about as being fair to everyone as much is as humanly possible. That, to me, is what attracted me to the Titans in the first place. Though we were diverse in many ways, this group really does appear to have strong sense of what is right and wrong. Not in a "We're better" way, but just as a generally decent group of people. That's all.
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