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Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.?

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Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby Tacitus651 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:26 pm

Thread dedicated to comparing Antoine’s collegiate career to Ray’s. Votes can be changed at any time, making it dynamic.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby Resurget Cineribus » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:46 pm

It’s a bit early, and maybe the comparison will be with other even more famous Titans over time.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby ptctitan » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:52 pm

When we win the HL tourney with Antoine, then we can revisit this topic.

But, let's see how we play at Ypsi - always a tough place for us to play.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby titanmac » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:07 pm

antoine exhibits more poise than ray jr. as a freshman. ray was often out of control and not nearly as explosive as antoine. 6 assists tonight as well. just a more complete player at this stage of the game. a long way to go of course but the athleticism and poise are there. it doesnt look like a fluke.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby Resurget Cineribus » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:01 am

[quote="titanmac"]antoine exhibits more poise than ray jr. as a freshman. ray was often out of control and not nearly as explosive as antoine. 6 assists tonight as well. just a more complete player at this stage of the game. a long way to go of course but the athleticism and poise are there. it doesnt look like a

Davis is better by far at the same stage. Ray Jr could not score like this. Not even close.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby udballer » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:56 am

Five games into their freshman year, AD is far ahead of Ray. You simply can't deny the ability to put the ball in the basket this kid has. Ray had an excellent career here but I can't shake the fact that he seemingly forgot how to shoot the basketball from outside 8 feet the moment he graduated from high school.

Here's to hoping we end up comparing him to RP3 when it's all said and done, in both individual and team accomplishments.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby UDDRUMMER » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:30 am

As a freshman Antoine is the better talent out of high school. Ray Jr he was like a bottle of wine, matured with age. Excited to see how he plays into our conference schedule.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby Tacitus651 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:52 pm

ptctitan wrote:When we win the HL tourney with Antoine, then we can revisit this topic.

But, let's see how we play at Ypsi - always a tough place for us to play.


Winning or not winning a conference tourney is an awful way to judge a single player and an even worse metric to use when comparing two players. I think the conference tourney victory is attributed to a team playing together and good coaching.

Let’s not forget that Valpo won the 2012 regular season which led to the final game being played at their place. Let’s also not forget that while we played a generally good game that day and won by 20, Valpo pretty much didn’t even show up. They shot 36% from the field and 11% from 3 and gave up 18 turnovers. We probably remember the game with Ray’s epic (in the eyes of Valpo fans’ eyes, insulting) dunk with 0.01 on the clock. But does that single game and team accomplishment immortalize Ray to the point we can’t begin to compare him to a current player?
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby titanmac » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:32 pm

yup! i was at that game. we gave them an old-fashioned butt whoopin in every phase of the game. that may have been coach ray’s most talented team. there is not a sport around that doesnt consider championships when evaluating a player.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby Tacitus651 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:01 pm

titanmac wrote:yup! i was at that game. we gave them an old-fashioned butt whoopin in every phase of the game. that may have been coach ray’s most talented team. there is not a sport around that doesnt consider championships when evaluating a player.


I’m not saying that tournament championships shouldn’t count for something. But to say we can’t compare Antoine to Ray until Antoine’s team makes the dance is a bit much. They’re both star players playing under their fathers. There’s bound to be comparison. And, if we relied too much on HL tourney championships, one could point out that Ray played in a much better HL. Would Antoine being on a HL tourney championship team 2 out of 3 seasons automatically make him better than Ray? I’d say not necessarily.

Out of the gate it seems to me Antoine is an all around better player. He’s just a bit faster with everything from his quick release, passing, and the amount of court he covers. Of course, it could be a hot start that cools as the season progresses.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby Big Chuck » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:19 pm

It should be noted for all of you "he has to win something" critics that after 4 games he has a Tournament Championship, First team and MVP in his trophy case.

At this stage it is clear that he is ahead of Ray. The question is can he sustain it through what is going to be a long grueling season for the young man. Because he is such a good passer and has such long range I do not expect teams to be able to double him that often. I do expect them to try and wear him down by harassing him from baseline to baseline. That is what BG tried in the second half. With his slight physique and early history of cramping up, opposing teams will try and use that to their advantage. Expect rotating defenders to harass him every second he is on the court. I worry that the quality of the refereeing will be able to protect him. Unlike Ray's Dad, Coach Davis will let the referee's know what he really feels.

He is a far more exciting player that Ray, or anyone we have seen in years (with the exception of our Dunking Specialist, I've forgotten his name at the moment). One thing they have in common are their work ethic. Both will get the absolute most our of their talents. I just expect Antoine to excel more at the college level because of his quickness and great shooting. I also have seen strong passing skills and some great assists. I loved the way he came out in the second half and dished out to good quick passes resulting in two successful 3 point buckets.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby uofdfan1983 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:34 pm

Antoine is definitely ahead of Ray at this point, but Antoine is also ahead of Rashad and Willie at this point. The only 2 Titans he's probably not ahead of at this point are Dave and Spencer, and the Commish can probably look up their first 5 games in comparison. Forwarders vs. PGs isn't the same thing but you get the point.

Antoine is a much better shooter and (very importantly) a better defender than Ray. Ray was not good at staying with his man. Although in the Zone Antoine doesn't have to stay with his man running down court, he has still shown better lateral movement than Ray. Ray was great at anticipating the game and making steals/making plays off his man. Antoine is more a straight up defender -- does a good job of covering the area in his zone -- probably won't make as many spectacular defensive plays as Ray but overall he's a better defender. But offensively, Antoine is already spectacular.

One area where Ray excelled and will probably be better than Antoine throughout his career is jumping/exploding/dunking. Antoine is not afraid to attack the rim and is very quick and shows an ability to get to the rim for layins. But Ray could literally blow by someone and dunk over big guys -- highlight real stuff. Ray is a little taller than Antoine, stronger, more physical and with a better vertical.

In the end, the sky is the limit for Antoine and if he stays healthy he could become one of our all-time greats. By his senior season, if we are comparing him to Rashad then we will be the lucky ones. Fun to watch him out there; exciting to see it unfold.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby ptctitan » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:20 pm

The Athletic's profile of Coach Davis and Antoine is now published. It's behind a pay wall. But Quinn's article is a must read for Titan fans.

But it's not just Antoine. A defensive switch got flipped in 2nd half vs Loyola MD; and, we made took a positive step forward.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby titanmac » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:07 am

except for the times when ray tried to slash to the basket and got the ball stuffed or drew a charge. it took awhile for him to master that play.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby NC Titan » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:21 pm

Big Chuck wrote:He is a far more exciting player that Ray, or anyone we have seen in years (with the exception of our Dunking Specialist, I've forgotten his name at the moment).


Doug Anderson?
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby jucofan1 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:32 pm

Yep dunkin Doug Anderson. Won State Farm dunk championship during the final four. Mott community college! Think he is a globetrotter now?
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby NC Titan » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:45 pm

jucofan1 wrote:Yep dunkin Doug Anderson. Won State Farm dunk championship during the final four. Mott community college! Think he is a globetrotter now?


He shoulda gone to the Globetrotters from the start after completing his time at UDM. He wanted to go NBA, but he focused too much on his dunking to develop his game. Regardless, he was probably the most exciting player in basketball his senior season. Proud to call him a Titan.
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby titanmac » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:02 pm

i thought he shoulda followed up on the football inquiries. quick, great hands and an off the charts vertical
leap. coulda maybe made somethin of himself?
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby Tacitus651 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:04 pm

I’m surprised Doug couldn’t bounce around a few of the smaller European leagues for a couple years just based on the PR he’d bring in for his dunks. He won the NCAA dunk competition- that oughta be worth something.

I wonder if Antoine will participate in the 3 point competition in March if we don’t dance?
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Re: Who’s better: Antoine Davis or Ray McCallum Jr.

Postby Titans03 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:58 pm

"if we don't dance" implying that there is a chance that we won't be in the NCAA tournament ;)
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