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Datin' Preview

Postby Commissioner » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:15 pm


When: Tuesday, December 4, 7:00 p.m.
Where: University of Dayton Arena, Dayton, Ohio
TV: None--get your butts down 3 hours south to Dayton and support the Titans.
Radio: Detroit Network- Superstation 910 AM; Dayton Network http://www.whio.com/whio-radio/listen-live/ WHIO AM 1290. Neither to be used except for pre-game while driving to Dayton Arena.

* TV update: Since I started this preview, game has now been scheduled for ESPN+ (pay channel). Still hope folks head south. Sadly, this year--the year we schedule every frickin' team in Ohio-- the Commissioner is a 9 hour drive away, without meal breaks, and with a Wednesday engagement back in New Jersey. Anyway, that's what having the nation's #2 scorer can do for ya'.

After blowing a late lead against Kent State, and then losing a winnable game at Akron as the shooters went cold, the Titans now play road games against two old rivals, Dayton and Toledo, on back-to-back nights. First up is Dayton, on Tuesday.

During the half-century heyday of Titan ball--roughly 1930-1980--Dayton was a regular Titan opponent, and the series was filled with memorable clashes. Dayton leads the all-time series 33-29, but sadly the two schools have not met in the regular season since the 1995 season, a game the Titans won 75-57. Our only two meetings since came in the 2001 and 2002 post-season NITs. The Titans clipped Dayton 59-42 in 2001 to advance to the NIT Final Four in Madison Square Garden. The next year, Dayton took revenge, beating the Titans 80-69 in the first round. Both games were played at Dayton.

A few years ago, when I put together a (somewhat arbitrary) list of the greatest Titan wins over the years, several Dayton games made the list (if you just want a preview for Tuesday's game, scroll down a ways):

68. [a href="http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/post/2529/thread"][font color="1979e6"]Feb. 14, 1985: Detroit 68, Dayton 67.[/font][/a]
In one of the most exciting games in the long Dayton rivalry, Keith Gray hit a baseline jumper to pull the Titans to within one point with 8 seconds left. Greg Wendt fouled Dayton's Damon Goodwin after the inbounds, and Goodwin missed the front end of a one and one. Wendt grabbed the rebound, dribbled the court, and hit a 24 foot bomb at the buzzer for the win. Wendt led the Titans with 19 points
With the win over NCAA-bound Dayton, the Titans liked their chances for a post-season bid, especially after beating #4 Memphis two weeks later, but the 16-12 Titans were snubbed by the NIT.

67. [a href="http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/post/2529/thread"][font color="1979e6"]Jan. 17, 1961: Detroit 71, Dayton 57.[/font][/a]
Dayton held Dave DeBusschere to just 8 points, but Charlie North hit for 23 as the Titans easily vanquished 9-2 Dayton. Both teams would eventually make the 12 team NIT field, where both would lose to Holy Cross, Detroit in the first round and Dayton in the semi-finals.

[a href="http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/post/2532/thread"][font color="1979e6"]57. January 15, 1978: Detroit 87, Dayton 73.[/font][/a]
1978 was to be the year for the Titans, who entered the season ranked 20th in the AP poll. The Titans slowly advanced to 15th, but were dealt a crushing blow in December when Magic Johnson’s Spartans blew the home club out of Calihan Hall, 103-74. The problem for the Titans after that was that the schedule had very little meat that year, being dominated by the likes of Harvard, Wayne State, Canisius, CCNY, Adrian, Oakland, and Buffalo, and with 19 of 27 games played at Calihan. Thus, Dayton’s visit to Calihan in mid-January gave the Titans a rare chance to boost their resume with a showy victory for post-season consideration. The Flyers entered Detroit at 10-4, including wins over Syracuse, Memphis, and Georgia Tech. The Titans were 12-1.

Senior center Terry Tyler dominated this one from the opening tip, and finished with 24 points, 20 rebounds, and 6 blocked shots. The final was Good UD 87, Other UD 73.

The Titans would run their winning streak to 12, re-entering the polls at #17 in early February, before their next major test, at 17-3 Georgetown. In that game, Terry Duerod missed the front end of a one-and-one with the Titans up three and two minutes to play. Georgetown took a 1 point lead with 29 seconds to play, and Ed Hopkins blocked Wilbert McCormick’s baseline 5-footer with 10 seconds to play to clinch the victory for the Hoyas. The game was Georgetown Coach John Thompson’s 100th victory. Also in that game, John Long’s 25 points boosted him past Dave DeBusschere to become Detroit’s all-time leading scorer. The Titans then lost 80-77 to Marquette its only other game against a top-flight opponent, in the season finale. With the Titans' best wins coming over Toledo and Dayton, Detroit's 24-3 finish was not enough. The Titans were relegated to the NIT despite a #16 ranking in the AP poll. The fact that it was probably the year's most controversial omission was small consolation. Pre-Big East Georgetown, ranked 17th by the AP but also playing a weak schedule, also had to settle for the NIT. There it defeated Dayton in the second round to make that tournament’s final four.

[a href="http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/post/2535/thread"][font color="1979e6"]44. January 15, 1977: Detroit 65, Dayton 63[/font].[/a]
It was neck and neck the entire game, but in the end Detroit successfully stretched its winning streak to 11 in a row. The game was tied at the half, but the Titans took the lead at the start of the second half and held it the entire remainder, though never by more than a few points. Dayton closed to 64-63 and had the ball but Doug Harris missed a layup with under 10 seconds remaining, Dayton was forced to foul, and the real UD held on for the win. Detroit’s balanced scoring was led by John Long with 16, Terry Tyler and Terry Duerod with 12 apiece, and Dennis Boyd with 11.

The loss dropped Dayton to 10-3 for the year. The Titans improved to 12-1, and would win set a school winning streak record by taking another ten games before losing to Duquesne.

[a href="http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/thread/291/great-titan-wins-41-50"][font color="193ae6"]41. January 9, 1965: Detroit 76, Dayton 74 (OT).[/font][/a]
8-2 Dayton came into Detroit in January of 1965, but high-scoring sophomore forward Donnie May was out for this one. The real UD featured a sophomore star of its own in broad-shouldered center Dorie Murrey, and an able supporting cast including Lou Hyatt, John Watson, and Terry Page. The Titans were just 7-5, however, and had been blown out by Indiana, Minnesota, and Notre Dame.

The Titans led by 5, 41-36, at the half, and opened a 10 point lead in the second half. But Murrey hit the bench with 4 fouls and Dayton went on a 19-7 run to take a 65-63 lead with under four minutes to play. Hyatt hit a jumper to tie the game at 65 with 3:21 to play, and then Dayton went into a stall to play for final shot (ah, those pre-shot clock days). Page forced the issue by fouling John Wannamacher with 28 seconds to play, and Wannamacher obligingly missed the front end, but Detroit was unable to capitalize and the game went to OT. The Titans led all the way in the OT, with a pair of Watson free throws providing the final and ultimately winning points. Coach Calihan used just six players in the game. Murrey and Hyatt led the Titans with 20 each, and Page and Watson each added 14. The fifth starter on that team was guard Jim Boyce.

The overtime win over the Flyers seemed to be the moment the talented Titans finally came together. The Titans thumped Marquette by 12 in their next game, lost at Villanova 74-72 on a pair of free throws with 4 seconds remaining, then rolled off 10 more wins in their final 11 games, including a 14 point win at Marquette and a victory in a rematch with Notre Dame at Memorial. That got the Titans an NIT bid, where they recorded their first ever post-season victory by downing La Salle. Dayton, for its part, made the Sweet 16 of the NCAA tournament, losing to eventual runner-up Michigan.

[a href="http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/thread/293/great-titan-wins-31-40#ixzz5YYNG0MbT"][font color="193ae6"]39. January 20, 1974: Detroit 79, Dayton 72 (OT).[/font][/a]
After an impressive 11-1 start, including wins over Michigan, Michigan State, and Minnesota, the Titans lost consecutive road games to Western Michigan and Villanova. This overtime win over a good Dayton club, 10-3, temporarily got the Titans back on track. Jerry Guinane, making a rare start, scored 10 of the Titans final 16 points in regulation, but with the score tied at 62 Owen Wells missed the front end of a one & one with seven seconds to play, giving Dayton a chance for the win. Wells compounded the problem when he fouled Dayton's Mike Sylvester, an 85% foul shooter, as Sylvester heaved up a long desperation jumper at the buzzer. But Sylvester missed both foul shots, and Riley Dotson scored 6 and Walter Smith 5 (all on free throws) as the Titans dominated the extra period. Wells led the Titans with 18 points, Dotson added 16, and Guinane finished with 14.

The Titans eventually entered the last two weeks of the season at 16-5 and looked like a good bet for post-season play, but they lost 4 of their last 5 and were passed over by both the NCAA and NIT. Dayton finished the year ranked 20th in the nation, and reached the Sweet 16 in the NCAA tournament before losing in triple overtime to UCLA.

[a href="http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/thread/293/great-titan-wins-31-40#ixzz5YYNfXYwZ"][font color="1963e6"]32. February 11, 1962, Detroit 97, @ Dayton 75.[/font][/a]
Dave Debusschere set a school scoring record with 44 points and grabbed 21 rebounds as the Titans scored perhaps the biggest win in their long rivalry with Dayton, crushing the Flyers at Dayton, 97-75. DeBusschere hit 16 of 26 shots from the floor.

1961-62 was an up-down year for Detroit. With running mate Charlie North graduated, the Titans, coming off consecutive NIT bids, were clearly going to go only as far as DeBusschere could carry the team. The Titans rolled out to a 9-2 start that included wins over Xavier and, in the finals of the Motor City Classic, 19th ranked St. Bonaventure; but also included an embarrassing 25 point loss at #6 Purdue. After the St. Bonaventure victory, the Titans dropped 4 of 5, including a home loss to Western Michigan, falling to 10-6. But with post-season hopes rapidly fading, the Titans scored wins at Michigan and at home against #10 Villanova before the Dayton game.

The blowout at Dayton was vital to helping the Titans withstand a sluggish loss to a mediocre Marquette team two nights later, and gain their first NCAA bid ever. Meanwhile Dayton, which entered the game at 13-5, did not lose again in 1962, winning its final 11 games and defeating St. John’s in Madison Square Garden to win the NIT.

[a href="http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/thread/295/great-titan-wins-11-20#ixzz5YYO79eQa"][font color="1963e6"]18. March 22, 2001: Detroit 59, Dayton 42 (NIT)[/font][/a]
The Titans won their third consecutive road game to advance to the NIT Final Four in Madison Square Garden by trouncing Dayton, 59-42. The Titans led 33-23 at the half, but Dayton held UD scoreless for the first five and a half minutes of the second half. The problem for Dayton was that Detroit’s defense also stepped it up, and Dayton was able to knock just five points off the Titans’ lead. The Titans then forced turnovers on 4 consecutive Dayton possessions and broke the game open. The Titan blitz eventually turned into a 23-3 run that opened a 56-31 lead with just under three minutes remaining. Having held Dayton to just 8 points in the first 17 minutes of the half, the Titans simply coasted home – or perhaps better put, to Madison Square Garden.

Rashad Phillips led the Titan attack with 23 points. The victory, Detroit’s 25th of the year, tied the school record. The Titans, however, lost to Alabama in the NIT semis, and then to Memphis in the consolation game, to finish the year at 25-12. Still, it is the furthest the Titans have ever advanced in post-season play.

Anyway, with that trip down memory lane over, what have this year's Flyers got in store? Dayton enters Tuesday's action at 4-3, and on a three game losing streak. But it's been pretty tough competition: a 7 point loss to 4th ranked Virginia in the Bahamas; an 11 point loss to Oklahoma, also in the Bahamas, and a 7 point loss at home to 25th ranked Mississippi. Their wins include 3 home wins over mediocre competition (North Florida, Coppin State, and Fort Wayne), but also a victory in the Bahamas over Butler. Dayton beat the Dogs by 5; though we're playing better than when we lost to Butler in Indy, we still lost by 21 points., so that's a pretty big difference between results against this common opponent.

Dayton is a slow, deliberate team this year, and one key factor in this game could be who, if either, is able to set the tempo. The Flyers take very few three pointers, preferring to work the ball until they finally get the good inside shot. They play a short bench, and while usually man-to-man, may throw a zone at us from time to time to mix it up.

The Flyers' best player is Josh Cunningham, a 6-8, 240 lb. senior forward who is averaging 13.8 points and 6.8 rebounds after averaging 15.6 and 8.4 last year. He's strictly a low post player and you can think of him as the Jaleel Hogan of Jaleel's junior year. Sophomore Jalen Crutcher is the point guard and he's very effective. He averages almost 6 assists per game with an A/TO ratio of almost 3, and can score on the drive or from behind the arc. His backcourt partner, Jordan Davis, has struggled from three-pointland after hitting over 39% from there a year ago. We'll have to hope his struggles continue, but Davis is also effective at driving and finishing in the lane. The other starting forwards are 6-7 Ryan Mikesell, who led the Flyers with 15 points against Mississippi State on Friday, and 6-5 wing Trey Landers, another guy who's good at going to the hoop. Against Mississippi State, Dayton coach Anthony Grant started 6-9 freshman Obi Toppin, bringing Cunningham off the bench for 25 minutes of play. I don't know if that will be the case again. Toppin played well, with 8 points and 5 rebounds, and he also started when Cunningham missed a couple games to open the season. Even more than Cunningham, he's a pure post player.

Those 6 players account for most of the Flyers minutes. The only other guys who see more than token appearances are freshman guard Dwayne Cohill, who typically plays 5-10 minutes a game, and Jhery Mahtos, a 6-5 junior guard. Mahtos, however, missed the Mississippi State game with a foot injury and is "questionable" for the Titans. So if you go, be sure to ask him plenty of questions. No one else has played even 10 minutes this season (not 10 minutes in a game--10 minutes for the entire season). My guess is that Mahtos is out, because Coach Grant played 6-8 freshman Frankie Policelli briefly in the Mississippi State game, after saying at the start of the season that he would redshirt and not playing him until Friday. Coach Grant has now said that Policelli will quickly see more playing time. Dayton only has 12 scholarships filled this year, and three are transfers sitting out the year. So if Mahtos is out, the Flyers will suit up just 8 scholarship players, including Policelli. EDIT: Since I wrote this, Mahtos's condition has been changed to "out indefinitely."

So we're up against a talented team. It's not deep, but it's deep enough for any one game unless the refs are whistle happy (or someone goes down with an injury early, but we don't wish that). The Flyers have a very balanced offense--everyone can score. We're going to need concentration in that zone defense for a full 35 seconds on every possession, because Dayton is a very patient team that waits for good shots. They're not just going to start chucking up threes. And we need someone to step up as a third scoring option to Antoine and Josh. When that happens, as in the Legends regional games and the EMU game, the Titans look really good. When it doesn't, it's tough to keep the defense honest, and they crowd our two scorers and the offense stagnates--we saw that against Akron. This will also be the largest crowd the Titans have seen, in an arena that can get pretty noisy. So that itself will be a new experience.

Dayton Probable Starters
PG: Jalen Crutcher 6-1 Soph. (13.1 ppg, 5.9 apg, 41.0% 3PtFG)
SG: Jordan Davis, 6-2 Soph. (9.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg)
SF: Trey Landers, 6-5 Jr. (10.3 ppg, 7.1 rpg)
F: Ryan Mikesell, 6-7 RS Jr. (9.7 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 39.1% 3PtFG)
PF: Josh Cunningham, 6-8 RS Sr. (13.8 ppg, 6.8 rpg)

Key Bench
G: Dwayne Cohill, 6-2 Fr. (3.1 ppg)
PF: Obi Toppin, 6-9 RS Fr. (11.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg)
F: Frankie Policelli, 6-8 Fr. (3 minutes played)
G: Jhery Mahtos, 6-5 Jr. (3.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg) (questionable)

McFolley Watch
Josh needs 12 points on Tuesday to pass Doug Chappell for 27th spot on the all-time Titan point list. Chappell played the 1981 through 1984 season, and was a first team All-MCC player in 1983, when he averaged 17.6 ppg.
Titan All Americans Calihan Swanson Sparrow Ebben DeBusschere Murray Haywood Long Tyler Duerod Phillips Green McCallum
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Re: Datin' Preview

Postby TitanVoiceofReason » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:52 pm

Go Titans!!! Bring home a victory!!!
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Re: Datin' Preview

Postby TitanVoiceofReason » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:01 pm

So far, not so good. Just tuned in and following it via the Live Stats. Down by 20 with 5 to go in first half. #15 on Titans is listed as Knight not Riley. Is Knight back on the team or is Riley playing?

Dayton is shooting 75% at this point in the game....under 4 to go in 1st half.
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Re: Datin' Preview

Postby ptctitan » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:43 pm

Knight is playing as #15
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Re: Datin' Preview

Postby TitanVoiceofReason » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:56 pm

ptctitan wrote:Knight is playing as #15

thanks ptc

I'm not watching the game on espn+ but we have 20 fouls and Dayton only 7. Either we are playing really really bad or the refs are bought and paid for by the Flyers. Perhaps a combination of the two.
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Re: Datin' Preview

Postby TitanVoiceofReason » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:23 pm

The 3 Stars of the Game
chosen by Tony Paul ;)

1. Toppin
2. Cunningham
3. Davis (Dayton)
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Re: Datin' Preview

Postby ptctitan » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:34 pm

Dayton had more athletic players and bigger players than us. It was not the ref's. They were a more physical team.
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