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Postby cedar1973 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:36 pm

What is the word on the appeal from sanction on UD
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Re: Appeal

Postby Rogobob77 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:26 pm

From the Detroit News today:

“The program has appealed, arguing the academic issues were a result of previous staffs and rosters and shouldn't punish a current group that had nothing to do with that. The university continues to await the NCAA's response, a spokesman said.”
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Re: Appeal

Postby Resurget Cineribus » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:31 am

Why wouldn’t we add that the appeal includes a technicality.
That two former players, who had no academic issues, sat out a year but are now
enrolled in a 4 year institution? Isn’t that actually part of our appeal?
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Re: Appeal

Postby TerryTylerFan » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:25 pm

Resurget Cineribus wrote:Why wouldn’t we add that the appeal includes a technicality.
That two former players, who had no academic issues, sat out a year but are now
enrolled in a 4 year institution? Isn’t that actually part of our appeal?

Agreed. I have to believe that it is a major point in the appeal, but don’t understand why a spokesman would leave that detail out. Maybe the News had to edit for space? (A Detroit Mercy article? Keep the word count down!)
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Re: Appeal

Postby Resurget Cineribus » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:39 pm

Lol!! True!!
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Re: Appeal

Postby Commissioner » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:17 pm

TerryTylerFan wrote:
Resurget Cineribus wrote:Why wouldn’t we add that the appeal includes a technicality.
That two former players, who had no academic issues, sat out a year but are now
enrolled in a 4 year institution? Isn’t that actually part of our appeal?

Agreed. I have to believe that it is a major point in the appeal, but don’t understand why a spokesman would leave that detail out. Maybe the News had to edit for space? (A Detroit Mercy article? Keep the word count down!)

Or it's very possible that the spokesman explained the situation with JJJ and Ballantyne in detail, and it the writer summed it up as "the academic issues were a result of previous staffs and rosters and shouldn't punish a current group that had nothing to do with that." That's my guess.
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Re: Appeal

Postby uofdfan1983 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:36 pm

I just looked up the LIU Brooklyn roster and no JJJ or Ballantyne listed, although they only have 9 players listed. I never heard confirmation that they are in school. Anyone have confirmation?
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Re: Appeal

Postby Tacitus651 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:10 pm

uofdfan1983 wrote:I just looked up the LIU Brooklyn roster and no JJJ or Ballantyne listed, although they only have 9 players listed. I never heard confirmation that they are in school. Anyone have confirmation?


We’ve confirmed they are at LIU practicing. Visit the other board for details and links to pictures.
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Re: Appeal

Postby Resurget Cineribus » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:30 pm

uofdfan1983 wrote:I just looked up the LIU Brooklyn roster and no JJJ or Ballantyne listed, although they only have 9 players listed. I never heard confirmation that they are in school. Anyone have confirmation?


Tom, there are pictures of them huddling with the team.
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Re: Appeal

Postby MotownTitan » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:05 pm

Resurget Cineribus wrote:
uofdfan1983 wrote:I just looked up the LIU Brooklyn roster and no JJJ or Ballantyne listed, although they only have 9 players listed. I never heard confirmation that they are in school. Anyone have confirmation?


Tom, there are pictures of them huddling with the team.


i sent a link of their roster to Verbal Commits. They said they received confirmation from LIU that they are on the team, but the roster has not been finalized for thee website yet.
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Re: Appeal

Postby NC Titan » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:45 pm

MotownTitan wrote:i sent a link of their roster to Verbal Commits. They said they received confirmation from LIU that they are on the team, but the roster has not been finalized for thee website yet.


Boy, I'll bet their fanbase is just furious and threatening to stop supporting the team because their roster is not on the website. ;)
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Re: Appeal

Postby Commissioner » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:46 pm

NC Titan wrote:
MotownTitan wrote:i sent a link of their roster to Verbal Commits. They said they received confirmation from LIU that they are on the team, but the roster has not been finalized for thee website yet.


Boy, I'll bet their fanbase is just furious and threatening to stop supporting the team because their roster is not on the website. ;)

I know I won't be giving them any money this year!
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Re: Appeal

Postby UDDRUMMER » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:32 am

I saw their names listed on LIU verbal commits.
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Re: Appeal

Postby Tacitus651 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:01 pm

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sport ... 070427002/

Doesn’t look like we are winning this appeal.
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Re: Appeal

Postby ptctitan » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:27 pm

Tacitus651 wrote:https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2019/10/23/detroit-mercy-says-ncaa-tournament-ban-unfair-takes-big-picture-approach/4070427002/

Doesn’t look like we are winning this appeal.


Disagree. I think it's more a case of managing expectations since the decision is out of our control. Like when a case goes to the jury and the lawyer with the strong case still will say, "You never know how the jury will decide it."

When Davis had a Texas Southern team in this situation, they won the SWAC even though they were not eligible for postseason play. You don't want your players' attitudes dependent upon the outcome of the waiver request. Especially when so many "experts" from other schools think the team will tank because of the APR issue.
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Re: Appeal

Postby Tacitus651 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:26 pm

I just don’t see the NCAA nudging on this one. They’ve been more lenient in recent years with individual players and waivers to accommodate student athletes, but not so much with appeals and waivers from schools themselves.

You can say that the penalties punish kids who had nothing to do with the violations or APR in this case, but I think the rules were designed rightly or wrongly with that in mind. Ultimately, we hired a bad coach who himself was in the spotlight by allegedly verbally abusing a player, and so from the outside looking in it appears we let a man create a toxic environment where young men couldn’t get their college degrees. JJJ and JB enrolling at LIU helps our case, but I’ll be shocked if we win.
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Re: Appeal

Postby titanmike » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:45 am

Tacitus651 wrote:I just don’t see the NCAA nudging on this one. They’ve been more lenient in recent years with individual players and waivers to accommodate student athletes, but not so much with appeals and waivers from schools themselves.

You can say that the penalties punish kids who had nothing to do with the violations or APR in this case, but I think the rules were designed rightly or wrongly with that in mind. Ultimately, we hired a bad coach who himself was in the spotlight by allegedly verbally abusing a player, and so from the outside looking in it appears we let a man create a toxic environment where young men couldn’t get their college degrees. JJJ and JB enrolling at LIU helps our case, but I’ll be shocked if we win.


Of what I know or have been told however only one of the kids who BA brought in, struggled academically. Those kids who could of gotten degrees, JJJ and JB both had excellent GPA's.
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Re: Appeal

Postby ptctitan » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:46 pm

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Re: Appeal

Postby uofdfan1983 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:19 pm

TitanMike is correct. The previous regime really one brought in 1 academic questionmark, and in fact his shadow still looms on the entire University in the form of a lawsuit. Having said that: this player was well-known to both BA and JJ and they took a gamble on him anyway. Still not enough of a reason to give us this penalty -- we fell below the minimum APR not because of failures in the classroom as much as due to failures on the court that led to turnover in our coaching staff before a group of players had the 4 or 5 years required to give them a chance to graduate. Looking back -- the right decisions were made by the AD at each moment in time but just as you cannot keep (or hire) a coach because of how that might affect a certain star player's enrollment or departure; likewise you cannot decide to keep a coach because that might help you avoid an ugly penalty like this one. You have to think and act longterm, something we are finally doing.
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Re: Appeal

Postby upbasketballfan » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:13 pm

titanmike wrote:
Tacitus651 wrote:I just don’t see the NCAA nudging on this one. They’ve been more lenient in recent years with individual players and waivers to accommodate student athletes, but not so much with appeals and waivers from schools themselves.

You can say that the penalties punish kids who had nothing to do with the violations or APR in this case, but I think the rules were designed rightly or wrongly with that in mind. Ultimately, we hired a bad coach who himself was in the spotlight by allegedly verbally abusing a player, and so from the outside looking in it appears we let a man create a toxic environment where young men couldn’t get their college degrees. JJJ and JB enrolling at LIU helps our case, but I’ll be shocked if we win.


Of what I know or have been told however only one of the kids who BA brought in, struggled academically. Those kids who could of gotten degrees, JJJ and JB both had excellent GPA's.


Jalen Gibson was also Bakari's and he would still be on the books.
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