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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby titanmac » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:17 pm

here's hoping he's a bruinsma type...
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby udballer » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:55 pm

Other than skin tone, how are we hoping he's a "Bruinsma type"? Are you saying you hope he doesn't contribute for a few years?
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby Rogobob77 » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:14 pm

udballer wrote:Other than skin tone, how are we hoping he's a "Bruinsma type"? Are you saying you hope he doesn't contribute for a few years?

One characteristic they share is that they both made first team all-state at smaller Michigan schools. My recollection is that Bruinsma hailed from a Class C high school.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby upbasketballfan » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:39 pm

Rogobob77 wrote:
udballer wrote:Other than skin tone, how are we hoping he's a "Bruinsma type"? Are you saying you hope he doesn't contribute for a few years?

One characteristic they share is that they both made first team all-state at smaller Michigan schools. My recollection is that Bruinsma hailed from a Class C high school.


West Michigan Christian was a class D when Bruinsma was there. That was why I was pushing Whitens so hard.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby titanmac » Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:29 pm

the smaller schools have now and always have lagged in turning out d1 caliber players. bruinsma was class d all everything with incredible determination and understanding of the game...he was an exception from the small school. he was also playing power forward and/or center where is bball iq could more readily make up for his half a step off. if this kid has the determination and drive that bruinsma did, he may well succeed. still he is a guard and a half step slow or a fraction of a second off in his release may well come back to haunt him in d1. i look forward to seeing him play!
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby NC Titan » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:43 pm

Well, Joey has range for sure, and a short jumper. And he can create his shot. FT percentage is 88. Ball-handling skills. I see him as good replacement to Calipari when Brad's time is done, and possibly an upgrade. The highlight was mostly offense, but he had a couple of steals in there (school records), so probably a better defender. He's solidly built (I think I saw him listed at 175 pounds), and if the Sports Medicine guys can work with him he should fill out to 190 or 200 pounds. Good head on his shoulders.

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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby upbasketballfan » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:13 pm

titanmac wrote:the smaller schools have now and always have lagged in turning out d1 caliber players. bruinsma was class d all everything with incredible determination and understanding of the game...he was an exception from the small school. he was also playing power forward and/or center where is bball iq could more readily make up for his half a step off. if this kid has the determination and drive that bruinsma did, he may well succeed. still he is a guard and a half step slow or a fraction of a second off in his release may well come back to haunt him in d1. i look forward to seeing him play!


Make sure Kampe listens to you. He has made a pretty good living lately with a good mix of players from smaller schools maybe he'll quit recruiting the smaller schools.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby upbasketballfan » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:13 pm

titanmac wrote:the smaller schools have now and always have lagged in turning out d1 caliber players. bruinsma was class d all everything with incredible determination and understanding of the game...he was an exception from the small school. he was also playing power forward and/or center where is bball iq could more readily make up for his half a step off. if this kid has the determination and drive that bruinsma did, he may well succeed. still he is a guard and a half step slow or a fraction of a second off in his release may well come back to haunt him in d1. i look forward to seeing him play!


Make sure Kampe listens to you. He has made a pretty good living lately with a good mix of players from smaller schools maybe he'll quit recruiting the smaller schools.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby titanmac » Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:43 am

hah! up you love those small school kids. there are a lot of good ones! just not the norm. thats all i'm saying. we had a kid few years ago samamonica? dunno? something like that. could shoot the lights out from anywhere in the gym. we were all thrilled...the second coming of desmond ferguson. just a shorter version. as soon as the non conference season started he disappeared. couldn't get his shot off. next year he was gone..,to d2 i believe, that scenario is not atypical. so yeah. i look foreward to seeing him play and i look forward to being his biggest fan.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby upbasketballfan » Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:08 pm

titanmac wrote:hah! up you love those small school kids. there are a lot of good ones! just not the norm. thats all i'm saying. we had a kid few years ago samamonica? dunno? something like that. could shoot the lights out from anywhere in the gym. we were all thrilled...the second coming of desmond ferguson. just a shorter version. as soon as the non conference season started he disappeared. couldn't get his shot off. next year he was gone..,to d2 i believe, that scenario is not atypical. so yeah. i look foreward to seeing him play and i look forward to being his biggest fan.


I think the guy you are referring to is Josh Sumarico who went to HS at Livonia Clarenceville which is the smallest of 5 high schools in Livonia. Most of the better Athletes go to one of the larger schools in Livonia as it is school of choice area. Not the same as places like Erie Mason or Iron Mountain the HS is the only game in town and family must uproot and leave or ship child away. we have a kid here now who is a Jr. and has already gotten 17 D1 offers and his parents are getting a lot of pressure to ship him down to one of the larger schools in Green Bay. He chose to stay home this year with the goal of winning a State Championship only to end up loosing to C-19. They lost last year in the finals on two bad calls in the last 7 seconds. I think Liedel is better than our guy here and he did play against some of the larger schools down there and more that held his own. Did you know that Ypsilanti Lincoln which beat the Cubs in last years Class A final was 23-4 last year and 2 of their losses were to Class B schools and one to a Class D school out of a small town called Horton Michigan. Liedel will be fine at UD and I think you will be proud to call him a Titan.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby NC Titan » Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:17 pm

Kids from small schools often take longer to develop. Bruinsma was one of those, and he turned out very well. Cole Long was another who didn't contribute as anticipated, but he was a hard worker, did everything asked of him, was a versatile bench player. It never hurts to have a hard-working floor-burn glue player on the team. And there is something to be said for bringing in a coach's kid. They usually have high basketball IQ and court sense, and they understand how to fit in to the team strategy.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby upbasketballfan » Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:51 pm

NC Titan wrote:Kids from small schools often take longer to develop. Bruinsma was one of those, and he turned out very well. Cole Long was another who didn't contribute as anticipated, but he was a hard worker, did everything asked of him, was a versatile bench player. It never hurts to have a hard-working floor-burn glue player on the team. And there is something to be said for bringing in a coach's kid. They usually have high basketball IQ and court sense, and they understand how to fit in to the team strategy.


I disagree, with the AAU circuit kids today get the second level of comp. plus a good coach will test them with better competition.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby Commissioner » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:22 pm

Gettlefinger!

(Liedel is better than Gettlefinger).
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby upbasketballfan » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:42 am

Commissioner wrote:Gettlefinger!

(Liedel is better than Gettlefinger).

How about Hill Mais? We have had a hard time dealing with his small school ability for 4yrs. He came from a school which would be Class C if it was here in Michigan ( about 450 enrollment) or Oaklands other big who I think came out of a class C school, arguably the best set of Bigs in the conference for the last two years.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby uofdfan1983 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:35 am

We have to make sure we are not "coloring" our review of Liedel's game and potential impact at U-D based on the color of his skin.

I was hoping to get to one of his games but cancellation of most of the boys tournament ended that. I saw LeGreair play in the City Championship Game and was hoping to be able to compare/contrast their games and talents. Instead, I can only based my thoughts on seeing LeGreair once and having 19 minutes of Liedel highlights, I will begin by saying that I believe both of them are PGs. That doesn't mean they won't ever be on the floor together, but they are both short PGs so you figure out the dynamics of court balance, matchups, etc. LeGreair is your more traditional PG and probably won't be a high scorer. But just because Liedel can shoot it from long range does not make him a SG. Was Rashad a SG because he also was a 3-point specialist? Is AD a SG because he can shoot it from anywhere? Some will say YES, that both of my examples are SGs first, or combo guards. But in reality, both of them handle the ball, handle the pressure, run the offense. They may not be "traditional" pass-first/shoot-last PGs as I think LeGreair is, but they definitely fill the PG position. I don't know if Liedel is quick enough to handle the pressure of a quick defender but I say that because of the competition he has faced, not his skin color. We will find out soon enough. But you can tell he is a BASKETBALL PLAYER more than just a shooter. As such, any comparison to Brad Calipari is erroneous. The only thing he has in common with Bruinsma is that he went to a small high school. I agree with UP that he reminds me of AD. I am not saying he will be even half of what AD is. I'm just saying that's the game his most closely resembles. As such, I can see him getting the opportunity to sub in for AD next year. If he could give us a decent 8 minutes off the bench next year, allowing AD to have two 4-minute breaks in the middle of each half, that would be great. If Liedel could come in, handle the pressure, make good passes and not turn the ball over, and hold his own defensively, that alone would make us a slightly better team next year, and as freshman he would be contributing. I don't worry about his shot -- he'll get his shot off and he'll get some points. He's not a leaper, but neither are Rashad or AD. McFolley is another short guard who IS a leaper. McFolley is more SG than PG but probably a "combo guard" by today's definition. My 2 cents. Go Titans!
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby NC Titan » Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:18 pm

Tom, I think AD is a PG by necessity and for two years Coach has been saying he wants a PG so I don't think he sees his son as a PG either. Just no better alternative.

Neither AD nor Liedel is a leaper but both are good rebounders, at least by the numbers. I think that reflects that their coaches taught them how to position themselves for the longer rebounds.

I hope Liedel gets a chance to play alongside AD so that we can see what happens when AD is not the only scoring option on the floor. Of course, I hope even more that Coach can bring in a forward or a center who is a scoring threat to keep the defenses honest.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby Commissioner » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:17 am

upbasketballfan wrote:
Commissioner wrote:Gettlefinger!

(Liedel is better than Gettlefinger).

How about Hill Mais? We have had a hard time dealing with his small school ability for 4yrs. He came from a school which would be Class C if it was here in Michigan ( about 450 enrollment) or Oaklands other big who I think came out of a class C school, arguably the best set of Bigs in the conference for the last two years.

Well, first, note that both Hill-Mais and especially Brechting did very little as freshmen and sophs, so it's not like they're especially good examples of players adapting quickly from small high schools to D-1 ball. Both then red-shirted as juniors (Brechting due to injury, if I recall), and only emerged as starters as redshirt juniors. We're not talking about whether they can ever contribute, we're talking about their expected short term impact.

The ability to adapt quickly to the D1 game is not just the size of the school, it's the location and quality of competition.

A guy like Hill-Mais, who made the most rapid transition to a contributor in college, came from a small school, but one that had a tradition in the sport, and played in a tough conference in an urban area that produces good basketball players. Gettelfinger (to use one example) came from an area not known for basketball in a state not known for basketball, playing lots of other small, rural schools, and less elite AAU competition. Gettelfinger may yet become a good player for someone, and perhaps would have become a good player for OU, but he was overmatched this year. Fan expectations were simply unrealistic.

I think Liedel will be pretty good. He's got a shot, to be sure, he seems like a hard worker with good knowledge of the game (lots of family history), he gets good grades (I'm a firm believer that smart kids are easier to coach and develop), and he does more than just shoot threes. But I think there will be an adjustment period. I have no idea what Coach and Joey have discussed about how they expect to use and develop him, but with AD and Calipari providing long range shooting, I don't expect a ton of PT for Liedel as a freshman. If he adapts and merits it, great. Either way, I think he'll be a longer term asset.
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby titanmac » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:00 am

like i said earlier, its a bit easier for a big to overcome a bit of a lack of quick..especially in our league. that's a bit of a tougher assignment for a guard. that's all i'm tryin to say. i look forward to watching him play. if he can get that shot off he'll be an asset in a hurry!
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Re: 2020 Commit - Joey Liedel

Postby Rogobob77 » Sun May 17, 2020 4:40 pm

Joey Liedel receives all-state honors, first team (Captain), Division 3, from the Detroit Free Press:

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