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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby 1975SHjoe » Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:39 am

Well if there is two sides to the story its long overdue. Its 4 weeks and nothing from Mr. Vowels. We now have 7 WBB players in the transfer portal. If the AD has another side of this sad saga lets hear it. IMO
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby 1975SHjoe » Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:48 pm

Sadly, we now have nine woman's BB players in the transfer portal. When will we hear "the other side of the story".?? Recruiting opens soon with no resolution in sight. Painful to see this drag on.
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby Rogobob77 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:38 pm

Detroit Mercy women’s basketball coach AnnMarie Gilbert will remain as head coach, the school announced.

“The University has implemented additional measures to ensure that the women’s basketball program operates consistently within the core values and mission of Detroit Mercy.”
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby 1975SHjoe » Tue May 04, 2021 1:54 pm

What a f***ing mess. We now have 11 of 14 players in the transfer portal. Unlike Cincinnati who fired their mens coach in a week after player allegations, we continue to receive no meaningful response from the AD. I interpret the AD's failure to disclose as nothing but concealment on his part in what transpired.. If the parents were wrong, please tell us why!
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby ptctitan » Tue May 11, 2021 11:40 am

To: 1975SHjoe - the AD can't disclose anything because the parents went around him from the get-go and sent a copy of their January 17th letter to NCAA enforcement. This triggers a confidentiality requirement on the part of the school and the NCAA until the NCAA completes the process of reviewing the report of the outside investigator hired by the school. After reviewing the investigator's findings, the school has decided to retain Gilbert. That ought to tell you a whole lot here. Under these circumstances, would you expect the mutineers to remain here? Even Fletcher Christian, who staged a successful mutiny on The Bounty, could not return to England.
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby 1975SHjoe » Tue May 11, 2021 1:37 pm

To PC in response to your comments about the students being mutineers IMO is very harsh. Are you dismissing all their concerns? What I did expect is leadership from the AD. The fact that 13 of 14 are leaving is not mutiny, its a cry about injustice and more. Their should have been a better approach to resolving this. As a starter has the "Supervisor of WBB been fired"?. Its happened before at other institutions and resolved to every ones satisfaction, but not here.. The few quotes attributed to the AD sounds like he supported the coach all along and was unable / unwilling to find middle ground. Big Chuck gave you his thoughts on this on the other board. Todays Fee Press has another article unfavorable to the University. The negative publicity will never be repaired. If my daughter was being recruited by UDM I am sure other coaches will bring this issue to the student and her parents attention. This will not go away. The track record of our AD is not stellar by any measure. The recent negative history of men's basketball, woman's Lacrosse (2019/20 coach dismissed). At a minimum the AD should have addressed his financial supporters with a letter why he cancelled the season, a detailed list of what changes have been implemented to address student concerns, for starters. For now, after 45 years of financial support, I choose not to invest my money in UDM athletics. Enough is enough.
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby ptctitan » Tue May 11, 2021 2:22 pm

The facts are that the parents sent a letter dated January 17th to Vowels and cc'd "Ms. Therese Joyce, Assistant Director of Enforcement, NCAA" and "Ms. Sherika Montgomery, Assistant Director of Enforcement, NCAA." That's right in the letter that was embedded in the original Free Press article dated January 21st.

The subject matter of that letter was titled: "In re: NCAA Complaint Re: Coach AnnMarie Gilbert, Head Coach, University of Detroit Mercy".

This was never an attempt by the players or their parents to "work things out" or "resolve" anything "to every one's satisfaction." This was a mutiny by them against Gilbert for the reasons set forth in their complaint. This was an NCAA complaint from its outset on January 17th. The parents and the players chose this formal, confrontational process. They can now try and sugarcoat it all they want, but their attempts at revising the facts cannot change the words in their letter that I quoted above.

AD Vowels has made one formal public statement about the matter. It occurred on January 21st and stated:

"The health and well-being of our student-athletes is our athletic department's top priority. We have talked with all players and members of our women's basketball program about their concerns. We take them very seriously and will continue to review them closely."

"As we have prioritized the needs of our student-athletes during this challenging academic year, we have decided to suspend the 2020-21 women's basketball season."

The recent statement about retaining Gilbert was made by an unnamed university spokesperson. The Free Press noted an April 15th statement from the university stating that it had completed its review, decided to keep Gilbert, will implement additional measures, and sent its findings to the NCAA. The NCAA was contacted and gave the Free Press this statement:

"Meghan Durham, associate director of communications for the NCAA, told the Free Press late last week the organization “cannot comment on current, pending or potential investigations” due to confidentiality rules created by the member schools."

The specific NCAA rule states:

"19.1.3 Public Disclosure. Except as provided in this Article, the Committee on Infractions, the Infractions Appeals Committee and the enforcement staff shall not make public disclosures about a pending case until the case has been announced in accordance with prescribed procedures. An institution and any individual subject to the NCAA Constitution and bylaws involved in a case, including any representative or counsel, shall not make public disclosures about the case until a final decision has been announced in accordance with prescribed procedures."

All I said was that the university cannot make any public statement about a pending NCAA enforcement matter until the NCAA makes its final decision. And I've cited the rule directly above. I understand that we'd all like to know more details, but it is unfair to criticize the AD or anyone in his department for not providing any further details at this time because the people who initiated this complaint did so at the NCAA level thereby depriving the university of a chance to respond to their allegations that are creating the bad PR.

We are hearing only one side of this controversy. And we can't hear the university's side of the matter until after the NCAA decides what to do, if anything, about the parents' January 17th "NCAA complaint."
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby Big Chuck » Tue May 11, 2021 7:03 pm

ptctitan wrote:
This was never an attempt by the players or their parents to "work things out" or "resolve" anything "to every one's satisfaction."

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How do you know that?
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby ptctitan » Tue May 11, 2021 9:55 pm

Big Chuck wrote:How do you know that?


Because the document is dated Sunday, January 17th. Because the document says on its face that it is an "NCAA complaint." Because that complaint never mentioned any previous attempts between parents and AD to work things out. And because the complaint says it was cc'd to the two assistant directors of NCAA enforcement and to our Compliance director at the same time it was sent to Vowels.
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Re: WBB Titans prepared to mutiny over coach’s abuses

Postby Big Chuck » Tue May 11, 2021 10:13 pm

The letter stands by itself. It is a NCAA complaint. If does NOT state they did nothing before the letter was written. The letter was the result of other actions being unsuccessful. You cannot believe that the letter was the first action taken.
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