MooseGuy1 wrote:Whew! Thank goodness we got rid of Ray McCallum. Can't imagine how bad it would've been with Ray at the helm.
If you strive for mediocrity, continue to think that Ray SR was the answer. If you're interested and willing to shoot for the stars, then try the bold approach. What Vowels did was brave, difficult and necessary. I am a boss and firing someone is very hard. But it was the right thing to do. I am astonished at how people sometimes just look at short-term results, when it is necessary to look beyond at what the total picture is/needs to become.
uofdfan1983 wrote:If you strive for mediocrity, continue to think that Ray SR was the answer. If you're interested and willing to shoot for the stars, then try the bold approach. What Vowels did was brave, difficult and necessary. I am a boss and firing someone is very hard. But it was the right thing to do. I am astonished at how people sometimes just look at short-term results, when it is necessary to look beyond at what the total picture is/needs to become.
uofdfan1983 wrote:If you strive for mediocrity, continue to think that Ray SR was the answer. If you're interested and willing to shoot for the stars, then try the bold approach. What Vowels did was brave, difficult and necessary. I am a boss and firing someone is very hard. But it was the right thing to do. I am astonished at how people sometimes just look at short-term results, when it is necessary to look beyond at what the total picture is/needs to become.
uofdfan1983 wrote:If you strive for mediocrity, continue to think that Ray SR was the answer. If you're interested and willing to shoot for the stars, then try the bold approach. What Vowels did was brave, difficult and necessary. I am a boss and firing someone is very hard. But it was the right thing to do. I am astonished at how people sometimes just look at short-term results, when it is necessary to look beyond at what the total picture is/needs to become.
MooseGuy1 wrote:Whew! Thank goodness we got rid of Ray McCallum. Can't imagine how bad it would've been with Ray at the helm.
Motor City Sam wrote:MooseGuy1 wrote:Whew! Thank goodness we got rid of Ray McCallum. Can't imagine how bad it would've been with Ray at the helm.
"Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!" - Peter Venkman, "Ghostbusters"
Actually, with the Titans increasing their win totals the last two years under Ray, I expect we would have been over .500 this year. How much over .500? Hard to tell, since we don't know what other recruits Ray might have brought in for the class of 2016. Probably wouldn't be sitting here on April 4 without any signings or verbal commits for the class of 2017, though.
Relatively speaking, firing a coach is easy. The hard part is making sure that the guy you hire is an upgrade over the guy he is replacing.
R.B.J1 wrote:Motor City Sam wrote:MooseGuy1 wrote:Whew! Thank goodness we got rid of Ray McCallum. Can't imagine how bad it would've been with Ray at the helm.
"Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!" - Peter Venkman, "Ghostbusters"
Actually, with the Titans increasing their win totals the last two years under Ray, I expect we would have been over .500 this year. How much over .500? Hard to tell, since we don't know what other recruits Ray might have brought in for the class of 2016. Probably wouldn't be sitting here on April 4 without any signings or verbal commits for the class of 2017, though.
Relatively speaking, firing a coach is easy. The hard part is making sure that the guy you hire is an upgrade over the guy he is replacing.
Sam, you make a lot of sense, and I was warned/advised that if we let coach Mac go, we might get the results that we are getting. My question has always been, at what point do we continue to get beat by OU, and finish a game or two above or below .500. As myself, and others have stated I can only think of one game in which the titans "upset" a team, or won a game that they were not the favorite during the McCallum era, and that was the 2012 game against Valpo, and I think we had the better team that season. On the other hand, I can think of many games in which we were the favorite/better team and were defeated. I must say, I have no ideal what coach Alexander is doing in regards to recruiting, or style of play. It is safe to say that the honeymoon is over, he's gotta start showing some tangible results, right now he's giving us a steady dose of slick suits and smooth talking.
MooseGuy1 wrote:My point, sarcastic though it was, was not that we should've stayed with Ray. It was actually twofold:
1. There's been this continuing notion that some of the problems in BA's first year is attributable to Ray "leaving the cupboard bare". That is pure nonsense. A coaching transition is bound to create growing pains but this season's failure went well beyond growing pains. One need look only at Milwaukee to see that positive growth is indeed possible even in a coach's first year. I saw nothing in 2016-17 that convinced me that we were moving in the right direction. That's a little scary since we seem wedded to the new regime for the long haul.
2. Many times we looked out coached by teams with far less natural talent. From the awful start with losses to GLIAC teams to our sputtering ending in the league tournament, the Titans looked overmatched way too often. Add to that the (so far) lack of positive recruiting news, it makes it difficult to remain optimistic. Again, I hope I'm wrong. But I still can't figure out why we'd sign a complete coaching novice to lead us to the promised land. Sure, it's a bold move, but being bold just for the sake of being bold doesn't mean a lot.
MooseGuy1 wrote:Mike: What you say is true...mostly. The players you listed all improved individually and there was an uptick in Ws at the end of the season. How much of that is due to coaching? I can't quantify that. I think that it was mostly a combination of factors, including getting adjusted to a new system under Coach Alexander. But I also think that the improvement to 6-9 is partly due to the fact that those were conference games in a down year for the Horizon League. We were awful in the non-con section of the schedule. Of course, the same can be said for UWM and their push at the end. By the way, touche on their coach being a novice as well. Can't debate that.
As to the signing period, again, good point. It might all come together.
Also, no argument with steady progression in the next three years. I'd take that with a codicil that by that third year we should be challenging for the top spot in the HL.
Mac: Sam is more analytical than you give him credit for. It is true that he's a person who genuinely cares about other people, and values the inherent decency in people like Ray. Therefore he treats them accordingly, and is reluctant to add to their burden. Not a bad philosophy. But he's not some gullible softy. He has a quick mind to go with a good heart. We've discussed many subjects and Sam is both insightful and capable of strong opinions. Still, I've met no one in whom I've ever sensed more graciousness. In the final analysis, he's the kind of person you want in your life when the chips are down and that's not a bad legacy to leave.
By the way, Mac, methinks you are a bit of a softy, too...deep inside maybe but I've sensed it's there. By the way, that's a compliment.
NC Titan wrote:Commish, what has been our D1 non-conference record over the past five or so years? I've been waiting for a signature non-conference win, oh, forever.
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