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HL Tournament field is set

Postby Titan Jim » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:34 am

Titans seeded fifth and will face Robert Morris in the first round.

Here is the link...

https://detroittitans.com/news/2021/2/2 ... qJdsBU-bGc
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby professorjackson » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:21 am

I heard the WCC is using the Ken Pomeroy rankings to seed their conference tournament. Were the HL to do that, Oakland (218) would be seeded behind UDM (149), as would NKU (191). So would CSU (155). WSU (64) appears to be highest ranked HL team.
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby Rogobob77 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:24 pm

professorjackson wrote:I heard the WCC is using the Ken Pomeroy rankings to seed their conference tournament. Were the HL to do that, Oakland (218) would be seeded behind UDM (149), as would NKU (191). So would CSU (155). WSU (64) appears to be highest ranked HL team.
https://kenpom.com/

Both KenPom and the NCAA Net ratings have the Titans ranked second highest in the league. Both measures consider strength of schedule and where games were played (home or away). Oakland was only .500 in the conference, but somehow managed to leap-frog NKU and Detroit Mercy who were both +4 in wins/losses. Here are some of the metrics:

Final HL Standings for 2020-21

1. Wright St. (16-4)
1. Cleveland St. (16-4)
3. Detroit Mercy (10-6)
4. Northern Kentucky (11-7)
5. Oakland (10-10)
6. Youngstown St. (9-11)
7. IUPUI (7-9)
8. Milwaukee (7-10)
9. Green Bay (8-12)
10. UIC (6-12)
11. Purdue Ft. Wayne (6-14)
12. Robert Morris (3-12)

HL Seeding for 2021 Tournament

1. Cleveland St.
2. Wright St.
3. Oakland
4. Northern Kentucky
5. Detroit Mercy
6. Youngstown St.
7. Green Bay
8. Milwaukee
9. IUPUI
10. Purdue Ft. Wayne
11. UIC
12. Robert Morris

HL Rankings by Ken Pom thru 2/20/21

64. Wright St.
149. Detroit
155. Cleveland St.
191. Northern Kentucky
218. Oakland
231. Milwaukee
241. Green Bay
249. Youngstown St.
258. IUPUI
280. Illinois Chicago
289. Purdue Fort Wayne
294. Robert Morris

HL Rankings by NCAA NET Rating thru 2/20/21

65. Wright State
167. Detroit Mercy
168. Cleveland State
202. Northern Ky.
253. Milwaukee
260. Oakland
262. Youngstown St.
263. IUPUI
272. Green Bay
281. UIC
291. Purdue Fort Wayne
308. Robert Morris

If I personally didn’t know better, I could easily be convinced that the Horizon League seeding formula was developed by the same guys who dreamt up the Electoral College. Except that Federalist from Pennsylvania, Rob Morris, who apparently didn’t have much sway.
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby Dick Vitale » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:05 pm

Looking forward to the first round.
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby titanmac » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:07 am

thanks for posting that rogo. i haven't looked at conference rankings for a long time. has been kind of depressing for a long time! anyways. here is sagarin's ratings for what its worth?

74 Wright State = 79.97 18 5 68.05( 249) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.37 64 | 78.68 81 | 79.62 75 HORIZON
173 Cleveland State = 70.85 16 7 69.09( 212) 0 1 | 0 1 | 70.03 185 | 71.36 170 | 73.30 147 HORIZON
184 Northern Kentucky = 70.14 13 10 68.28( 235) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.31 198 | 70.55 179 | 73.88 138 HORIZON
188 Detroit Mercy = 70.03 11 9 69.54( 201) 0 0 | 0 1 | 69.89 188 | 69.63 195 | 75.25 123 HORIZON
223 Oakland-Mich. = 67.48 10 17 72.00( 144) 0 2 | 0 5 | 67.08 231 | 67.80 215 | 66.88 249 HORIZON
224 Youngstown State = 67.42 10 11 67.57( 266) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.87 238 | 67.76 217 | 68.66 216 HORIZON
245 Milwaukee = 66.50 8 11 68.20( 239) 0 0 | 0 0 | 67.24 228 | 65.79 254 | 64.24 283 HORIZON
247 Green Bay = 66.40 8 16 69.77( 191) 0 1 | 0 2 | 66.51 243 | 66.05 250 | 67.92 228 HORIZON
256 Illinois-Chicago = 65.72 9 12 68.24( 236) 0 0 | 0 1 | 65.77 252 | 65.86 253 | 61.28 317 HORIZON
277 IUPUI = 64.35 8 9 68.54( 230) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.68 291 | 64.58 276 | 67.60 233 HORIZON
291 Robert Morris = 63.83 3 14 69.57( 198) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.13 280 | 63.67 293 | 60.03 324 HORIZON
292 Fort Wayne(PFW) = 63.68 7 14 67.55( 268) 0 0
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby JDetroitTitan » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:51 am

titanmac wrote:thanks for posting that rogo. i haven't looked at conference rankings for a long time. has been kind of depressing for aclong time! anyways. here is sagarin's ratings for what its worth?

74 Wright State = 79.97 18 5 68.05( 249) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.37 64 | 78.68 81 | 79.62 75 HORIZON
173 Cleveland State = 70.85 16 7 69.09( 212) 0 1 | 0 1 | 70.03 185 | 71.36 170 | 73.30 147 HORIZON
184 Northern Kentucky = 70.14 13 10 68.28( 235) 0 0 | 0 0 | 69.31 198 | 70.55 179 | 73.88 138 HORIZON
188 Detroit Mercy = 70.03 11 9 69.54( 201) 0 0 | 0 1 | 69.89 188 | 69.63 195 | 75.25 123 HORIZON
223 Oakland-Mich. = 67.48 10 17 72.00( 144) 0 2 | 0 5 | 67.08 231 | 67.80 215 | 66.88 249 HORIZON
224 Youngstown State = 67.42 10 11 67.57( 266) 0 0 | 0 0 | 66.87 238 | 67.76 217 | 68.66 216 HORIZON
245 Milwaukee = 66.50 8 11 68.20( 239) 0 0 | 0 0 | 67.24 228 | 65.79 254 | 64.24 283 HORIZON
247 Green Bay = 66.40 8 16 69.77( 191) 0 1 | 0 2 | 66.51 243 | 66.05 250 | 67.92 228 HORIZON
256 Illinois-Chicago = 65.72 9 12 68.24( 236) 0 0 | 0 1 | 65.77 252 | 65.86 253 | 61.28 317 HORIZON
277 IUPUI = 64.35 8 9 68.54( 230) 0 0 | 0 0 | 63.68 291 | 64.58 276 | 67.60 233 HORIZON
291 Robert Morris = 63.83 3 14 69.57( 198) 0 0 | 0 0 | 64.13 280 | 63.67 293 | 60.03 324 HORIZON
292 Fort Wayne(PFW) = 63.68 7 14 67.55( 268) 0 0


I feel the sagarin rating should of been the ranking for the HL except I would of traded spots with RMU with PFW.
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby titanmac » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:53 am

i have always had s bias for the sagarin methodology....
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby titanmac » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:56 am

hate to say it but i'm already looking forward to the next game against nku....does it matter that iupui handled the norse twice?
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby NC Titan » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:24 pm

titanmac wrote:hate to say it but i'm already looking forward to the next game against nku....does it matter that iupui handled the norse twice?


Questions:

1. Were the IUPUI upsets a match-up issue? Or someone missing from the NKU lineup?
2. Is there really that much difference between us (188) and NKU (184)?
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby NC Titan » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:17 pm

Titans has won 8 of 9, 10 of 12. Nice streak going into the tournament.

Let’s hope that after we win four in the tournament to raise our record to 15-9 and our streaks to 12-of-13 / 14-of-16 that the NCAA considers that in seeding. Andy Katz of the NCAA has Wright State a 13th seed, and CBS has CSU as a 16 seed.
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby Commissioner » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:41 pm

NC Titan wrote:
titanmac wrote:hate to say it but i'm already looking forward to the next game against nku....does it matter that iupui handled the norse twice?


Questions:

1. Were the IUPUI upsets a match-up issue? Or someone missing from the NKU lineup?
2. Is there really that much difference between us (188) and NKU (184)?

NKU doesn't have much depth. They play a 7 man rotation, and Adham Eleeda, at that point the 6th man, was out for the IUPUI games. Also, after Eleeda came back, they moved him into the starting rotation. They've played their best ball since.

Also, NKU played one of the weakest conference schedules. They did not play #3 Oakland or #5 Detroit, and then played 10 of their 18 games at home, including #2 NKU and #6 YSU. Against the top 6 teams in the league, they are 2-2 at home at 2-4 overall. Against other teams in the top half of the league Cleveland State is 8-2, Wright State 6-4, Oakland 6-4, Detroit 4-6, Northern Kentucky 2-4, and YSU 2-8.

Let's beat Robert Morris first, though.
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Re: HL Tournament field is set

Postby titanmac » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:57 am

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